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Venue updating from Soundweb Green Boxes
Alan Dove:
Hi All - any suggestions welcomed
Busy venue - club DJs, live music, comedy
200 - 1200 cap shows in 3 rooms
Currently uses a couple of green box soundweb processing units to handle central sound switching, processing, alarm interface, DJ limiting and volume controls for rooms. These are long in the tooth and we are thinking about what will happen if and when they fail.
The are set up to receive around 14 inputs and feed out to 6 zones (some stereo and some mono). Working well on a 16x16 set up.
The overall control of what is going on in what rooms and be able to patch any room to any room is vital. There is some house eq in there for the smaller system, main systems are all d&b using amplifier controllers. Limiting is important for DJ inputs and interface into fire alarm is requirement to mute system. We have a live control screen on a PC for the engineer to monitor and control venue from - showing all levels in and out, patches, mutes etc.
Is Soundweb London the only real option or am I missing some other options? I assume we will lose the ability to custom build processing networks if we switch to another platform like Allen and Heath?
Thank you Alan
Jonathan Kok:
There are multiple vendors able to provide what you're looking for; A&H is one option, as is London. There's also Symetrix, QSYS, Biamp, AtlasIED, and Xilica, and that's just off the top of my head. Frankly, Soundweb London would be low on my list of choices, due to concerns over its future, as would A&H, as it would be a bit overkill for this...but perhaps there's things they offer that you want and can't get from others.
Find a local integrator that can work with you to go over what your wants and needs are, and can provide a solution that best fits what you're looking for.
Erik Jerde:
Jonathan listed a number of good options. Some are very flexible, Q-SYS for instance, others less so. The big thing these days is product availability. Quite frankly it's horrendous. Q-SYS has problems getting critical parts for their smaller offerings with onboard I/O to the point that they're replacing them with new versions. They may start shipping in the spring but based on how things are going I wouldn't hold my breath. I looked into BSS availability for a project a month ago and it looked like reputable places listed skus as being out of stock too.
Depending on your timetable you may be able to design a system and wait for parts availability (have a very frank conversation with your distributor) or you may need to build something around what's available now. If you can wait you should have much more power available to you now than with the currently available system. With the right product you should be able to do everything you currently can and a lot more. It could be worth having a conversation with the customer around "what would you like the system to do that it doesn't currently do?"
Scott Carneval:
--- Quote from: Erik Jerde on October 12, 2022, 11:41:30 AM ---Jonathan listed a number of good options. Some are very flexible, Q-SYS for instance, others less so. The big thing these days is product availability. Quite frankly it's horrendous. Q-SYS has problems getting critical parts for their smaller offerings with onboard I/O to the point that they're replacing them with new versions. They may start shipping in the spring but based on how things are going I wouldn't hold my breath. I looked into BSS availability for a project a month ago and it looked like reputable places listed skus as being out of stock too.
Depending on your timetable you may be able to design a system and wait for parts availability (have a very frank conversation with your distributor) or you may need to build something around what's available now. If you can wait you should have much more power available to you now than with the currently available system. With the right product you should be able to do everything you currently can and a lot more. It could be worth having a conversation with the customer around "what would you like the system to do that it doesn't currently do?"
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I've used all of the usual suspects and my vote would be Allen & Heath AHM. They make a -16, a -32, and a -64. The AHM-16 would work, but you would need to add one of their I/O boxes as it only has 8 phoenix inputs. Actually even the AHM-64 only has 12 inputs, you would need at least one of their I/O boxes to accommodate 14 inputs. But it does all of the processing and routing you would need, the sound quality is top notch, and if you ever add an A&H console it would integrate directly with the AHM processor. I used to use a lot of Q-SYS but I haven't looked back since the AHM came out.
David Sturzenbecher:
--- Quote from: Scott Carneval on October 14, 2022, 10:11:52 PM ---I've used all of the usual suspects and my vote would be Allen & Heath AHM. They make a -16, a -32, and a -64. The AHM-16 would work, but you would need to add one of their I/O boxes as it only has 8 phoenix inputs. Actually even the AHM-64 only has 12 inputs, you would need at least one of their I/O boxes to accommodate 14 inputs. But it does all of the processing and routing you would need, the sound quality is top notch, and if you ever add an A&H console it would integrate directly with the AHM processor. I used to use a lot of Q-SYS but I haven't looked back since the AHM came out.
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Hi Scott,
I am curious how a A&H console would “integrate” directly with it? Simply the protocols match or is there a level of bidirectional control?
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