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brian maddox:
--- Quote from: Tim McCulloch on September 01, 2022, 01:14:42 PM ---Out of curiosity, why are pastors involved in loudspeaker selection? Even/especially in a HoW, we soundies do not inject ourselves into theology.
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You've clearly never worked at a church...
[not that you're wrong, to be clear]
Paul Johnson:
If it's for announcements and background music, the cost of installation points to high voltage distribution and remote amps. Vastly more cheap to instigate. One thin, cheap cable to each cluster of rooms, and no messing with power to each speaker and also the need to run long lengths of screen cable. Ground loops with a large site and remote grounding potentials suggest all kinds of hum issues may suddenly arise when you have two very different ground potentials, so that will mean testing different products and maybe finding transformer couplers. For a few announcements with no need for local input, just run some cable to multi tap transformer speakers for volume.
Hal Bissinger/COMSYSTEC:
--- Quote from: brian maddox on September 01, 2022, 07:52:11 PM ---You've clearly never worked at a church...
[not that you're wrong, to be clear]
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Where was it said that churches that work like that will never have an acceptable installation?
-Hal
Stephen Swaffer:
--- Quote from: Tim McCulloch on September 01, 2022, 01:14:42 PM ---Out of curiosity, why are pastors involved in loudspeaker selection? Even/especially in a HoW, we soundies do not inject ourselves into theology.
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To be fair Tim, I have had multiple theological give and take discussions with my pastor (the substance of which is not suitable fodder for this forum so I will not include examples).
I feel like there is room for a pastor/leader to have a vision for what he wants-especially if he is inclined to study the subject enough to be conversant and know more than the average keyboard warrior about the subject. I would far rather have a leader passionate about the sound and "production" (though I hate that term as I feel it devalues the purpose of a service) even if he takes an occasional wrong turn than one that doesn't care and doesn't move enough to take a turn that might be wrong.
I have also had soundies come in and say "You can't do that-pastor has to change what he does and what he wants"-then I proceeded to find a way to do what the pastor wanted with a decent sounding system (based on 'customer feedback' not my opinion). I get it that cookie cutter installs make money quicker-but sometimes other solutions fit the customer better.
It looks like Extron has some attractive offerings-now to find a reseller
Erik Jerde:
--- Quote from: Stephen Swaffer on September 07, 2022, 01:58:58 PM ---I feel like there is room for a pastor/leader to have a vision for what he wants-especially if he is inclined to study the subject enough to be conversant and know more than the average keyboard warrior about the subject.
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I completely agree with this. It's leadership's role to supply mission and vision and on the tech side we get to figure out how to accomplish that. Oftentimes that vision is expressed in ways that we have to decode. It's a lot like mixing monitors for an artist who tells you that their monitor is too brown (I think I know what that means) or too purple (no idea). Having a good relationship with your leadership helps immensely.
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