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Debbie Dunkley

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Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« on: August 15, 2022, 02:55:45 PM »

Last year I read some articles on using boundary mics for kick.  I saw a couple of shootouts online between the Shure 91 and the Behringer BA19 ( obviously their take on the Shure). The result was quite interesting and put the Behringer at only $70 in a very good light.
It also doesn't need an external power supply like the Shure - just 48v. So I got one just to see at that price.
I was impressed with my recordings at home from playing with it a bit on my kit but the drummer in the 1 band we were playing with didn't have a hole in the front head at that time and the drummer in the other band had a built in mic in his kick drum so I didn't get the opportunity to use it at shows at that time .... till now.

I tried it last week at a show and got a VERY nice shock at how good it sounded. Not as beefy (low end) as a Beta 52 @ only 50Hz - 18000Hz, but so much thud and cut, I was happy after some minimal EQ'ing. This was an 80's band so probably well suited - maybe not so much with rock.

During the break, Chris who was playing bass and using in ears, told me how great it sounded to him so I knew I was onto a winner.
To be able to place this mic directly into the drum (I lay a piece of foam in there first if not there already), and not have to worry about stands or placement in terms of the hole, is another time saver for me. If the sound was only 'MEH' then I wouldn't trade off those things but I'm really liking what I'm hearing. I'll get a recording done next time I think and really get a good listen .....

BTW - It looks cool too if using a clear resonant head because it glows blue when phantom is supplied....

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2022, 03:00:38 PM »

Interesting I hve an old Crown pzm lying around.  Maybe I'll give that a shot.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2022, 03:48:36 PM »

I too am a big fan of boundary mics in kick drums (particularly on cramped stages!), so I'm glad you've found one that works for you!

{...} It also doesn't need an external power supply like the Shure - just 48v. {...}

(Also, just for the record, the current Beta91A model has a normal XLR plug on the back. :) )

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 04:18:37 PM »

I too am a big fan of boundary mics in kick drums (particularly on cramped stages!), so I'm glad you've found one that works for you!

(Also, just for the record, the current Beta91A model has a normal XLR plug on the back. :) )

-Russ

Aaaah... yes - I believe when I was looking at the 2, I was using the older model Shure to compare as there were a good few used ones on the market at the time and they all had the old external phantom supply. 

Yes it's the cramped stages where there is a huge benefit to this type of mic.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 05:12:03 PM »

Just got one myself , very surprised how good it sounds. I have a gig that I just a1 with another sound co providing all gear and setup. They had one in the mic box and I said let's try it , glad I did ! I like that it allows you to choose between a flat eq and scooped eq sound. I would describe the sound as if a sm91 and a yamaha subkick had a baby. Very very surprised. I got one for $59 bucks on prime day .... figured what the hell for that little money it's good to have for bar gigs and a spare, but it's Def very usable and I'm using it a bunch. Seems like it's built like a tank to.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 05:16:25 PM »

I have an old SM90 (omni version of the 91) that I love. Been in my personal mic package for many years. Even with drum kits with no hole, I just lay it on the ground in front of the kick and it still gives plenty of womp.

To be fair most of the acts I work with are singer-songwriters, country, and western swing. For rock bands I add a D6 to this if I have the choice.

I paid next to nothing for mine years ago. I see one on ebay right now for 160. Not Behringer money, but it's a 100 bucks cheaper than a Beta91.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 05:33:38 PM »

Last year I read some articles on using boundary mics for kick.  I saw a couple of shootouts online between the Shure 91 and the Behringer BA19 ( obviously their take on the Shure).
Not as beefy (low end) as a Beta 52 @ only 50Hz - 18000Hz, but so much thud and cut, I was happy after some minimal EQ'ing. This was an 80's band so probably well suited - maybe not so much with rock.

To be able to place this mic directly into the drum (I lay a piece of foam in there first if not there already), and not have to worry about stands or placement in terms of the hole, is another time saver for me.
Debbie,

Like all cardioid mics, the proximity response of the Beta 52 progressively boosts low frequency the closer it is to the source. Compared to vocal mics, the proximity boost is at a lower frequency.
The hole in the front head of a kick drum is the exit of a Helmholtz resonator, similar to the port in a bass reflex cabinet, a huge boost at the tuning frequency.
The Beta 52 adds another 5-20dB on top of that boost at 50Hz relative to 1kHz when placed near the hole.

Like the Shure Beta 91A, the Behringer BA19A has a "scoop" switch to cut the 400Hz region, though it appears even more extreme.
The BA19A also has around a 10dB boost between 20-30Hz.
Unfortunate that mic manufacturers seldom provide proximity related response curves any more.
The proximity to the sound source on the BA19A is not specified, it would be interesting to compare the response of the mics at the same distances. 

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2022, 06:39:24 PM »

My go-to is the Senny e901, if there's a hole.  Love the simplicity, sound and floor space.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2022, 10:57:04 PM »

I have a couple of the early Crown PZM's with the external PX-18 power supplies that I used a lot of times for kick drums, the D6 is more my go to these days but I'll bring out a PZM evey now and then.

For what it's worth I always thought the PZM's with the external supply sounded better as a kick mic than the new version with the power supply output preamp built into the mic.
Figured if nothing else it was the larger transformer in the external units.

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2022, 10:47:40 AM »

To be able to place this mic directly into the drum (I lay a piece of foam in there first if not there already), and not have to worry about stands or placement in terms of the hole, is another time saver for me.
I've been using a Beyer TG D71c boundary mic lately for this exact reason.  One less stand to carry, or at least to have on stage, and generally faster to deploy than my trusty D6. 
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2022, 10:52:07 AM »

I have a couple of the early Crown PZM's with the external PX-18 power supplies that I used a lot of times for kick drums, the D6 is more my go to these days but I'll bring out a PZM evey now and then.


I like using the SM91 with a D6, both in the kick with the D6 a few inches from the beater.

My 91 seems to have gone missing so I'm thinking of ordering a Behringer. I'll see what kind of budget I can get next year. Concerts have been few and far between the last couple of years.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2022, 11:01:26 AM »

My go-to is the Senny 901, if there's a hole.  Love the simplicity, sound and floor space.

It's a bummer they didn't make the 901 a little more narrow, as I often find it's too wide for many drum ports.

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2022, 11:30:25 AM »

For those of you using a variation of the now-classic Beta 52 / SM91, keep in mind the path length difference to the diaphragms causes a comb filter.  The depth of the cancellation depends on how close in level the two sources are.

This is quite audible.



I like using the SM91 with a D6, both in the kick with the D6 a few inches from the beater.

My 91 seems to have gone missing so I'm thinking of ordering a Behringer. I'll see what kind of budget I can get next year. Concerts have been few and far between the last couple of years.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 11:30:51 AM »

Prefer the 901 over Shure B91, kinda like the SM91 but they are rare these days.

OTOH a certain three letter Danish microphone manufacturer has released a new microphone....
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2022, 01:36:08 PM »

For those of you using a variation of the now-classic Beta 52 / SM91, keep in mind the path length difference to the diaphragms causes a comb filter.  The depth of the cancellation depends on how close in level the two sources are.

This is quite audible.

In the low end? I tend to HPF the 91 and use it more for click and the D6 for bottom.

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 02:07:33 PM »

It depends on the path length difference between the two mics and the source.  In this case the source is the drum beater, although there is plenty of other sound bouncing around.  The beater should dominate here.   If they are a foot apart and the levels are close enough the (first) notch should be around 500Hz. 

Thatís the classic comb filter demonstration setup; two sources a foot apart.

It could actually work in your favor, depending on what you need.

In the low end? I tend to HPF the 91 and use it more for click and the D6 for bottom.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2022, 02:39:49 PM »

Hereís the classic demonstration, one millisecond between sources.  Sources are at equal level.  See photo.

Thatís the classic comb filter demonstration setup; two sources a millisecond apart.  In practical use we can say one foot equals one millisecond but thatís a somewhat rough estimation.  So if your mics are about a foot apart at equal level this gives you an idea of whatís going on.  Keep in mind this is a laboratory type demo, your real world measurement would be a lot messier.

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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2022, 06:07:49 PM »

It's a bummer they didn't make the 901 a little more narrow, as I often find it's too wide for many drum ports.
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Re: Behringer BA19 Boundary Mic on Kick.
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2022, 11:05:15 PM »

I have both a shure SM91 and a Shure Beta91 that I've used for many years inside the Kick drum in Live Sound reinforcement.

I bought the Behringer B19A 2 years ago when it was released, I have to be honest I was really impressed with it's sound and I even like it a bit better than the Shure Beta91.

When comparing it to the Beta91 it has a very similar sound and it's totally interchangeable, it just has slightly less boost on the high end than the Beta91, which I personally prefer since I always found the Beta91 too "clicky" and had to cut some high end on the board. Basically it's the same sound with a little less bump on 5khz to 10Khz.
Be aware the BA19A has slightly less output than the Beta91, maybe around 8 dbs less, it's nothing to worry about since we have plenty of gain on the preamps, it's just something to be aware if you are comparing one to the other, make sure you match the levels.

My conclusion and advice is that I don't see at the moment any reason to buy the Shure Beta91, the Behringer D19A does exactly the same thing for 1/4 of the price.

The only thing I don't like are the Blue LEDs around the XLR connector, you will have a blue light inside the Kick Drum, so what I did was to open the mic and cut the wire that feeds voltage to the LEDs, very easy to do and problem solved, now it's perfect
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