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Mike Tinsley

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Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« on: August 15, 2022, 12:43:45 PM »

Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query. Doing some small shows with the band
that don't require the digital mixer we have. Simple set up and go. Yamaha MG16XU
I'm running seems to have only two aux outs independent of post fader limitation.
Aux 4 is also FX send which also a deal breaker. Aux 3 and 4 outputs are controlled
by channel strip faders which is an issue especially w IEM config I'm setting up.
Thinking I will sell this non-live mixer. Looking for an affordable 16 ch
(12 mic pre's) with min Four Independent Aux Outs. Suggestions or redirect. Thanks.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2022, 01:06:20 PM by Mike Tinsley »
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Robert Piascik

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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2022, 01:32:18 PM »

How could you get more simple than XR18 or MR18 (or the smaller versions)? Small footprint, easy connections, more independent auxes than you need, waaaay more outboard flexibility and capability built in to *each channel*, economical price point. IMHO better in every single way, this is the beauty and genius of the digital mixers. I use one for solo and duo and small band gigs and am never going back to analog, why would I? I’m not a digital mixer snob or meaning to be critical, just why would I type on a typewriter when I have a laptop available?
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2022, 01:47:37 PM »

Any digital mixer can accommodate your aux requirements. Sell that yamaha.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2022, 02:21:48 PM »

I agree with Robert and Thomas.... years ago the 'go to' analog weekend warrior board for live work offering 4 monitor auxes and even basic FX was the Allen & Heath Mixwiz - which I owned and they still make.  Great mixer back then but for much LESS money you could pick up a nice little digital board offering SO MUCH more than you are even asking for.
I had a XR18 at one point and it is so easy to use and even with a tablet would cost less than a decent analog board probably. Throw in the cost of the outboard gear - EQ, FX, Comp etc and a digital board would be significantly less.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2022, 03:39:34 PM »

{...} Looking for an affordable 16 ch (12 mic pre's) with min Four Independent Aux Outs. Suggestions or redirect. Thanks.

I agree 100% with everyone on the "just go digital" answer. The only current analogue mixers I know of that fit your requirements are the Soundcraft GB2(R) 16 and the Allen & Heath MixWizard WZ4 16:2, both of which cost somewhere between twice and three times what an XR18 will run you.

-Russ
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Art Welter

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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2022, 03:42:05 PM »

Looking for an affordable 16 ch (12 mic pre's) with min Four Independent Aux Outs. Suggestions or redirect. Thanks.
The Soundcraft LX7ii with 6 aux sends and 16mic preamps may be as affordable in analog as you will find decent and new. Around $1290 compared to the A&H MixWiz at $1800.


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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2022, 04:12:04 PM »

The Soundcraft LX7ii with 6 aux sends and 16mic preamps may be as affordable in analog as you will find decent and new. Around $1290 compared to the A&H MixWiz at $1800.

That's not much less than I'm seeing online for the GB2R 16 (assuming you can find one, that is)...

...and it's still twice the price of an XR18...

-Russ
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2022, 05:42:55 PM »

That's not much less than I'm seeing online for the GB2R 16 (assuming you can find one, that is)...

...and it's still twice the price of an XR18...

-Russ
And still has zero latency, something to consider with in ear monitors.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2022, 06:27:08 PM »

Thanks to all for saying what I assumed to be fact. Was looking for a quick 'n dirty route.
I have a Presonus StudioLive 16:4:2 but haven't invested in the Pad, router, etc to go
remote. Plus it's a flight case chunk to carry around. Spoiled being able to reach over
and do stage adjustments on the fly on a control surface. Maybe a Touch Mix 16 would
be the cheap alternative. After Presonus/ Yamaha liquidation. Don't cherish the rack.
Even our IEM's are Pelican loaded.
 
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2022, 06:36:53 PM »

Thanks to all for saying what I assumed to be fact. Was looking for a quick 'n dirty route.
I have a Presonus StudioLive 16:4:2 but haven't invested in the Pad, router, etc to go
remote. Plus it's a flight case chunk to carry around. Spoiled being able to reach over
and do stage adjustments on the fly on a control surface. Maybe a Touch Mix 16 would
be the cheap alternative. After Presonus/ Yamaha liquidation. Don't cherish the rack.
Even our IEM's are Pelican loaded.
Plus with most digitals, you can let the musicians adjust their (and only their) own monitors on a phone app.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2022, 11:37:43 PM »

If you aren't convinced yet, a digital board doesn't just replace the mixer. It replaces the mixer, the 6 channels of EQ, the 4 channels of gates, the 8 channels of compressors, and the 2 effects units.........






Aaaaaaand the snake.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2022, 11:55:39 PM »

And still has zero latency, something to consider with in ear monitors.

True, but the XR18 only adds 0.8ms input-to-output, which should be well within basically every latency budget (including, IIRC, IEMs for violin players).

-Russ
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2022, 03:01:17 PM »

True, but the XR18 only adds 0.8ms input-to-output, which should be well within basically every latency budget (including, IIRC, IEMs for violin players).
Russ,

From a standpoint of timing, I'd agree completely.
From a standpoint of one's own voice reproduced in-ear, latency (and polarity) can be a problem that often goes unaddressed.

Dave Rat’s YouTube video allows you to "Actually Hear In-Ear Latency Issues":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APj0ZaMy4Xw

The video allows you to hear the internal resonance of his ear canal combined with the sound of a microphone through an in ear monitor, with or without a polarity reverse and latency (delay) added in one millisecond increments to the microphone.

The microphone’s signal of your voice through an in ear or headphone monitor coupled with one’s own ear’s internal resonance when in polarity increases low frequency level, while reversing polarity cancels, sounding “thin” to the person singing or talking.

Any amount of latency (delay) added to the microphone signal along with the in ear resonance alters the timbre of the sound perceived from one’s own voice, with 1 millisecond latency cancelling around 560 Hz or so, 2 ms at 280 Hz, 3ms at 210 Hz, 4ms at 140 Hz and so on. Reversing polarity in addition to the phase difference cancellations caused by the latency changes the perceived timbre.

Anyway, something to consider with in ear monitors.

Art

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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2022, 11:14:08 PM »

Thanks to all for saying what I assumed to be fact. Was looking for a quick 'n dirty route.
I have a Presonus StudioLive 16:4:2 but haven't invested in the Pad, router, etc to go
remote. Plus it's a flight case chunk to carry around. Spoiled being able to reach over
and do stage adjustments on the fly on a control surface. Maybe a Touch Mix 16 would
be the cheap alternative. After Presonus/ Yamaha liquidation. Don't cherish the rack.
Even our IEM's are Pelican loaded.
 

IMO I would try to sell the presonus also. The iPad functionality is limited since it is a hybrid console (the processing is digital but the level controls are analog) and not everything can be remote controllable nor recallable. Plus you may run into a PSU issue that affected that line of mixers.

I would also advise against the QSC TM16. Slow interface, nonrecallable gain controls, and proprietary power supply.
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2022, 05:44:30 PM »

IMO I would try to sell the presonus also. The iPad functionality is limited since it is a hybrid console (the processing is digital but the level controls are analog) and not everything can be remote controllable nor recallable. Plus you may run into a PSU issue that affected that line of mixers.
And it's chunky!

I would also advise against the QSC TM16. Slow interface, nonrecallable gain controls, and proprietary power supply.
All that, and much more pricey than the XR18...
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Re: Analog mixer Post Fader aux auxiliary out query
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2022, 05:58:57 PM »

and proprietary power supply.

Actually I consider an external power supply as kind of a plus, carry a spare. If my AH QU's had an external power supply or the option for one I would have a spare.

I have a spare for my UI16.

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