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Daniel Levi

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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 04:06:54 PM »

Ahh, I didn't realize there was another version. We were installing 60A 3ø 480v backup generator inlets for submersible pumps on lift stations.

As I understand there is the original US P+S connectors and the newer IEC P+S connectors which are identical to the industrial connectors used pretty much everywhere else and is what is reccommened for new installations.
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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2022, 05:54:12 PM »

I have encountered quite a few of these at various PAC and venues and have both configurations (orange single phase, blue 3 phase) in my inventory. I get the AHJ’s ok every time, Hubbell is the dominant brand in my area, Appleton is another company, they are in the 200 amp range. Here is a link for what you are describing on Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubbell-5100P9W-And-Cam-6-5-Pin-100A-Phase-3-2AWG-to-Camlok-Tie-N-/384676286006?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=706-127636-26712-0
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Brian Jojade

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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2022, 06:52:31 PM »

Couple things, multi-conductor SO cable with the outer jacket stripped away no longer meets NFPA 70, so you really aren't supposed to use cams on that stuff.

SHHHH!! Don't tell anyone around here that!! LOL

 The 'inspectors' around here have no clue and don't seem to care much, so we can get away with stuff that may not exactly be up to national code.

Yeah, I know it's not really a valid excuse, but it's one of those things where the safety level is far and above what many others get away with.  One of those weird rules that doesn't make as much sense. 4 separate conductors are ok, but bundle them together for the majority of the run and now a foot of separate conductor becomes dangerous.  I'll take that risk. :)
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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2022, 02:54:57 PM »

Those P&S connectors are big $$$ indeed. On the upside, they are keyed differently for each voltage option and they are IP67. They are way easier to plug in than twist lock devices, as well. We installed a bunch for outdoor generator inlets over the summer and I was impressed with the build quality and ease of use. The price made me blush.

While it's certainly worth it to pay for quality, I can't help but wonder if some of the price is due to "the people spec'ing it aren't paying the bill so don't care about price, and the people paying the bill don't know what they're buying but the engineer says we need it".
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Daniel Levi

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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2022, 05:17:51 PM »

While it's certainly worth it to pay for quality, I can't help but wonder if some of the price is due to "the people spec'ing it aren't paying the bill so don't care about price, and the people paying the bill don't know what they're buying but the engineer says we need it".
I guess it could be supply and demand, the vastly more popular/used lower amperage connectors over here (i.e. 230V 16A) can be had for ~£5.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2022, 12:23:53 AM »

SHHHH!! Don't tell anyone around here that!! LOL

 The 'inspectors' around here have no clue and don't seem to care much, so we can get away with stuff that may not exactly be up to national code.

Yeah, I know it's not really a valid excuse, but it's one of those things where the safety level is far and above what many others get away with.  One of those weird rules that doesn't make as much sense. 4 separate conductors are ok, but bundle them together for the majority of the run and now a foot of separate conductor becomes dangerous.  I'll take that risk. :)

I think it has more to do with the outer black armor being stripped away.

Meanwhile, in my internet ramblings I found this info on a website that occasionally has some useful knowledge to share:

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=139311.0

I think the P&S connectors are an even safer design.
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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2022, 12:55:09 PM »

I'm having an extremely hard time finding a five wire cable that will hold 100a three phase (five wire). Is that cable called a certain name?

TIA

Carolprene® Jacketed Type SOOW, Non-UL

https://www.cesco.com/resources/pdf_9E3/102463-AttachmentURL.pdf

if you NEED 100A rated you will need to go to the 2000V series not the 600V series..

We use the 600v 4/5 Cable is only rated to 80 amps. And have plenty in stock if you need..

The cable we use is P-7k-123033-MSHA.. But if you want to put cams on it you are probably best just getting #2 cable and doing seperate cable for each lead.
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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2022, 01:57:56 PM »

Just saw this post while browsing by and thought I would comment because of what an un-named venue "operations mgr" told me recently.  Told him we have the 60a adaptor with cam tails for a 3 phase service and he looked super surprised.  He said yeah we put those in a few years back so no one would use them forcing shows the bring in temporary power?!? Basically what was said above. The local jurisdiction didn't want the liability so they make it as hard as possible for anyone to connect, requiring a locally licensed electrician to make the connection etc. etc. Etc.
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Re: Pin and sleeve..
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2022, 05:33:41 AM »

Back in the late 90's I had to strip 5 conductors of 4/0 in a cable and put a 5 conductor pin and sleeve connector on. It was an amphenol cast metal connector. I sat in a chair and brought my lunch. Its not so bad. I remember it better than other things I did. Would I do it again ? I'm retired !

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