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Jon Rosen

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Bar Band PA question
« on: January 13, 2022, 02:46:58 PM »

Can we mount a Fulcrum Acoustic FA28 on top of an EAW FR152Hi and run it as a "stereo" pair mono tower? Basically pan the vocals and acoustic guitar through the Fulcrum and pan the rest through the EAW the other way.
We play places where space is tight and we're a six piece.
We'll need to buy a DSP power amp for this as the Fulcrum is passive and requires it. Would a Dynacord L1800FD DSP be a good choice? Could we get away the L1300FD in regards to power?

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Jon
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Paul G. OBrien

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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2022, 06:43:01 PM »

That is generally considered to be a dual PA and can work well. I don't see this setup needing hugh power in a typical bar or pub but of course those spaces can range in size from that of a living room to a wharehouse so I guess it depends, but I think either one of those amps would do the trick.
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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2022, 10:16:16 PM »

honestly... that sounds like too much work for a bar band.

I bet the Fulcrums can handle the full band.  What subs are you running under then mains?
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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2022, 01:02:54 AM »

always best toconfirm amp/DSP choice with Fulcrum as their best performance takes advanced processing
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Jon Rosen

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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2022, 09:23:47 AM »

That is generally considered to be a dual PA and can work well. I don't see this setup needing hugh power in a typical bar or pub but of course those spaces can range in size from that of a living room to a wharehouse so I guess it depends, but I think either one of those amps would do the trick.

Dual PA! I like the sound of that. It'll make me sound like I know what I'm talking about.  ;)
I'll probably opt for more power in case we want to run the other EAW in parallel. Thanks so much for your reply!
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Jon Rosen

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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2022, 09:40:43 AM »

honestly... that sounds like too much work for a bar band.

I bet the Fulcrums can handle the full band.  What subs are you running under then mains?

We've never used the Fulcrums before so it's kind of untested. We'll still need a DSP amp to run it and if that's the case it will cut down on lugging a big speaker!

And we've never used a sub before. The places we play are so small and we never put the bass thru the PA. That could all change if we like just the Fulcrum and try to get more control of the sound then a small sub might be needed.
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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2022, 09:43:34 AM »

always best toconfirm amp/DSP choice with Fulcrum as their best performance takes advanced processing

Fulcrum do have a PDF on their website with a list of power amps that are capable. I might contact them just to confirm this and power requirements.
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Paul G. OBrien

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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2022, 01:22:44 PM »

We've never used the Fulcrums before so it's kind of untested. We'll still need a DSP amp to run it and if that's the case it will cut down on lugging a big speaker!

Do you or somebody in the band already own that Fulcrum? If not then why don't you cut down on the lugging some more.. what you describe is a prefect application for a self powered box.. even if it is some other brand. You will have to spend the same kind of money as that Fulcrum box and the DSP amp combined of course(https://meyersound.com/product/ultra-x40/), I'm not suggesting this as a cost savings effort because it won't be if you want the same level of performance. But then again a pub band can certainly get by with something other than a touring class speaker system, lots of acts certainly manage with far more humble gear.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2022, 01:37:21 PM by Paul G. OBrien »
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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2022, 03:39:10 PM »

If not then why don't you cut down on the lugging some more.. what you describe is a prefect application for a self powered box.. even if it is some other brand. You will have to spend the same kind of money as that Fulcrum box and the DSP amp combined of course......

 I'm not suggesting this as a cost savings effort because it won't be if you want the same level of performance. But then again a pub band can certainly get by with something other than a touring class speaker system, lots of acts certainly manage with far more humble gear.

+1.  For small stuff like this, good powered boxes take up the least space and get the job done.  Cost is usually pretty close when you compare powered systems vs non powered and are sticking with the same quality level.

But, as Paul pointed out, if you're playing in places that are too crammed for proper speakers to start with, chances are you don't need top of the line anything to please the clients.
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Re: Bar Band PA question
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2022, 03:45:27 PM »

Yeah. Do what it takes to run the Fulcrum properly and just ditch everything else.

That EAW box isn't known for clean, high output. The Fulcrum stuff is in a whole other league above what most bar bands play with. You'll be surprised at just what one of them can do when properly processed and powered. And if you need more, bring out the other box.
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