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Ike Zimbel

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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2021, 11:57:35 AM »

Okay, so...

Can someone explain the Digico console lineup naming to me? Explain It Like I'm Five. In particular, a little idea of the history of these things would be helpful. Like which SDs came at which time/generation? And do they all use the same basic software? which ones are reaching EOL vs. which ones are "current"?

I know the S21/31 are the baby Digicos and don't use the same software as the SDs. And I know that the SD7 is the "big boy". But all the rest are just a fuzzy mess to me.

[I feel like there was a discussion of this sometime fairly recently, so a push in that direction would also be useful if this is a redundant question]

thanks!
Having read through the responses so far, I think the short answer is "No"  :P
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2021, 12:01:14 PM »

Hey lettuce not forget the SD11 vs SD11i =)

I'm not sure about Canada, but you can't even buy the "plain" SD11 in the US - only the SD11i or SD11B.  If there's a regular SD11 in the US, it's been "imported" from somewhere else.
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2021, 04:43:13 PM »

I'm not sure about Canada, but you can't even buy the "plain" SD11 in the US - only the SD11i or SD11B.  If there's a regular SD11 in the US, it's been "imported" from somewhere else.

Yeah, SD11 has been dropped from the dealer PL and just he SD11i and SD11iB remain. More channels and stuff. The 11i had the Core 2 upgrade which is now standard on everything. I'm sure it's just coincidental that the SD11i with a D rack costs just a bit less than a QL1 with Rio 3224. . .

An even more amazing coincidence is the Quantum 225 with a stage box is very similar in price to a QL5 with Rio. . .and now has packages with an automixer card.

So many coincidences.



You really oughta warn people before you say stuff like this. I'm glad I wasn't taking a sip of anything when I read it! ;D

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Just to clarify, MSRP must be expressed in £ Sterling or the math doesn't come out right.
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2021, 10:50:15 PM »

Huh, looks like I was wrong about one thing: the SD7 can be optioned with over 24x24 local I/O (although I think some of it has to be AES3 to max it out). I wonder if the SD7's local I/O (or the SD11's, for that matter) comes with the same caveats as that of the rest of the SD-series?

Yeah, SD11 has been dropped from the dealer PL and just he SD11i and SD11iB remain. {...}

So, you can't buy an SD11, but you can still buy an SD8? Why? Are they that much cheaper than an SD10?

{...} Just to clarify, MSRP must be expressed in £ Sterling or the math doesn't come out right.

Right, and it's also important to use the pre-Core-2 channel counts.

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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2021, 03:47:41 AM »



So, you can't buy an SD11, but you can still buy an SD8? Why? Are they that much cheaper than an SD10?



Looking at the surface only, an SD8 and SD12-72 both cost about the same and both are 30% less than an SD10. . .then the options start. . .
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2021, 11:18:17 AM »

Brian -

No, there is no simple & elegant logic to the range of DiGiCo SD offerings. That horse has left the barn. What I will say is that they are the most updated and updateable desks. Where DiGiCo goes the rest of the bunch seem to follow: more screens, more knobs, more I/O. They were never walk-up-and-go consoles for engineers du jour, but are extremely malleable for evolving professional uses.
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2021, 02:35:28 PM »

Looking at the surface only, an SD8 and SD12-72 both cost about the same and both are 30% less than an SD10. . .then the options start. . .

...which, I suppose, serves as an excellent reminder that the only thing more confusing than the SD-series naming conventions is their pricing structure. :P

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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2021, 02:59:08 PM »

Where do the S21 and S31 configure in the Digico lineup? Are they actually the same quality as their other offerings or are they just there to compete with lower cost boards like the X32/M32, AllenHeath, Soundcraft etc, and perform on a similar level?

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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2021, 03:45:31 PM »

Where do the S21 and S31 configure in the Digico lineup? Are they actually the same quality as their other offerings or are they just there to compete with lower cost boards like the X32/M32, AllenHeath, Soundcraft etc, and perform on a similar level?

From a signal path standpoint, the S-series are nearly indistinguishable from the rest of the DiGiCo lineup. They use the same I/O (and you can do headamp sharing and gain-tracking across lines), and they use an FPGA-based signal processor that is very similar to that of the SD series.

The big differences between S and SD are in the packaging and UI. The S-series have significant on-board analogue I/O, a Linux-based multi-touch interface (that has very little in common with the SD-series interface), and a somewhat-simplified routing structure (plus a couple other processing limitations). They also lack the redundant power supplies of the SD-series (except the SD11) and don't have the same physical size and heft (an SD12, with its 26 faders and limited onboard I/O, weighs roughly twice as much as an S21 with 5 fewer faders but significantly more XLRs on the back). This means they are somewhat less powerful (and, arguably, reliable) than an SD-series console, but also probably a bit more user- (and walk-up-) friendly (and certainly a lot cheaper).

Ultimately it depends on what you mean by "quality": the S-series doesn't have nearly the same physical robustness as the SD-series, but from an audio quality standpoint they should sound basically the same.

-Russ
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Re: Please explain the Digico console lineup to me?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2021, 04:25:59 PM »

From a signal path standpoint, the S-series are nearly indistinguishable from the rest of the DiGiCo lineup. They use the same I/O (and you can do headamp sharing and gain-tracking across lines), and they use an FPGA-based signal processor that is very similar to that of the SD series.

The big differences between S and SD are in the packaging and UI. The S-series have significant on-board analogue I/O, a Linux-based multi-touch interface (that has very little in common with the SD-series interface), and a somewhat-simplified routing structure (plus a couple other processing limitations). They also lack the redundant power supplies of the SD-series (except the SD11) and don't have the same physical size and heft (an SD12, with its 26 faders and limited onboard I/O, weighs roughly twice as much as an S21 with 5 fewer faders but significantly more XLRs on the back). This means they are somewhat less powerful (and, arguably, reliable) than an SD-series console, but also probably a bit more user- (and walk-up-) friendly (and certainly a lot cheaper).

Ultimately it depends on what you mean by "quality": the S-series doesn't have nearly the same physical robustness as the SD-series, but from an audio quality standpoint they should sound basically the same.

-Russ

Thanks for that info

Reason I'm asking is that I may finally get some money to spend on my rig next year and 1st on my list is replacing the X32's. I'll never get enough of a budget for an SD10 etc, but a pair of S31's might be doable. I'm wondering if that would fulfill some of the riders I get. 3 weeks ago I had to rent 2 Digicos. They sent an SD10 and a Quantum for monitors. Nice but not cheap. This Sat I'm renting an Avid Profile and I'm sure I'll be getting SL6 requests in the future.

Digico's seem to be the most rider-friendly board in this area so I'm curious as to whether S21/31 would be acceptable for bands that ask for Digico/Avid and need up to 40 inputs.
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