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Light/compact sub options- JTR 212pro vs Yamaha DXS15 XLF ?

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MattLeonard:
Hey all - I'm looking for light/compact subs, primarily to go under  (4) db Ingenia ig4t's. I know - no replacement for displacement, and I've gleaned some good ideas from past posts. Here are my considerations/constraints.

   -I prefer (4) boxes - to allow me to have 2 smaller rigs, or double up for bigger gigs.

   -No rider requirements and I want to keep to powered boxes. Mostly I do theater, corporate, and outdoor press conferences/rallies. I'm not doing EDM events (and if I was, I'd rent bigger subs).

   -Typically 1-person crews from a small truck/van/Subaru (no ramp/lift) so I want to keep boxes under ~90lbs and compact as possible.

   -I'm generally looking at the high end of MI, or low-end of touring. Buy-once-cry-once - but I'd like to stay under $2k/box. (the JTR's are just over this)

I'm leaning towards either the JTR Captivator 212 Pro, or the Yamaha DXS15 XLF. The JTR's cost more, have a ~4 month production lead time right now, and in some dimensions are larger than the Yamaha. The amp module also seems lacking - something from their home theater line. Whereas the Yamaha provides more control, cardioid options, and DSP - its heavier but a bit more compact, with a killer warranty. I also might grab a pair of DZR12's for SOS gigs (the Ingenia's really need subs), so that would be a nice match option too.

Anything I'm missing in my chart below? Any opinions or suggestions? Thanks!

Mike Pyle:
I haven't heard one yet, but Bassboss has a new little 15" sub that might be a good option to consider.

https://www.bassboss.com/buy/bb15-powered-subwoofer/

Peter Morris:

--- Quote from: MattLeonard on July 14, 2021, 09:57:32 PM ---Hey all - I'm looking for light/compact subs, primarily to go under  (4) db Ingenia ig4t's. I know - no replacement for displacement, and I've gleaned some good ideas from past posts. Here are my considerations/constraints.

   -I prefer (4) boxes - to allow me to have 2 smaller rigs, or double up for bigger gigs.

   -No rider requirements and I want to keep to powered boxes. Mostly I do theater, corporate, and outdoor press conferences/rallies. I'm not doing EDM events (and if I was, I'd rent bigger subs).

   -Typically 1-person crews from a small truck/van/Subaru (no ramp/lift) so I want to keep boxes under ~90lbs and compact as possible.

   -I'm generally looking at the high end of MI, or low-end of touring. Buy-once-cry-once - but I'd like to stay under $2k/box. (the JTR's are just over this)

I'm leaning towards either the JTR Captivator 212 Pro, or the Yamaha DXS15 XLF. The JTR's cost more, have a ~4 month production lead time right now, and in some dimensions are larger than the Yamaha. The amp module also seems lacking - something from their home theater line. Whereas the Yamaha provides more control, cardioid options, and DSP - its heavier but a bit more compact, with a killer warranty. I also might grab a pair of DZR12's for SOS gigs (the Ingenia's really need subs), so that would be a nice match option too.

Anything I'm missing in my chart below? Any opinions or suggestions? Thanks!

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The IG4Ts uses FIR filters; as such there is a small delay that needs to be added to your sub.

This is what the manual says

1. Select and confirm the type of associated subwoofer in the system
2. Select and confirm HpFilter, then select and confirm the desired crossover frequency
3. According to the system settings, verify the delay value recommended for the subwoofer in the SubDelay field.

To do this correctly may be a bit tricky unless you use one of dB Tech subs. I would check this out before you buy.
 

Douglas R. Allen:

--- Quote from: Peter Morris on July 15, 2021, 12:05:16 AM ---The IG4Ts uses FIR filters; as such there is a small delay that needs to be added to your sub.

This is what the manual says

1. Select and confirm the type of associated subwoofer in the system
2. Select and confirm HpFilter, then select and confirm the desired crossover frequency
3. According to the system settings, verify the delay value recommended for the subwoofer in the SubDelay field.

To do this correctly may be a bit tricky unless you use one of dB Tech subs. I would check this out before you buy.

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  As you know it really depends on the sub and speaker relationship to it. My IG4T's sitting on poles on top of my Yorkville Ls801pb's require me to set 6 ms of delay using the internal delay in the IG4T's to get in good phase response at the crossover point measured with Smaart. If the IG4T or other speakers that are used are farther than 1/4 wavelength away then delay can be set to a location but not correct everywhere. I don't see the IG4T's or IG2T's I have as having much more built in delay then any other speaker that I have used. Every sub/mid-high system should be checked and may require some alignment. That's just the nature of the beast when mix an matching and deploying speakers. If it's 2ms needed of 20ms needed to get the system in alignment they both take about the same time to measure and setup. Most (if not all?) speakers with digital processing have some delay. Not a deal breaker by any means.

Douglas R. Allen

Greg Harwood:
Sent you a PM.  I have JTR 212Pro subs and they are fantastic performers.  Lightweight, easy to move, and sound great. No experience with the Yamaha subs, but I doubt they are better than the JTR subs.  Tough to go wrong with anything JTR.

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