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Ike Zimbel

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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2021, 08:51:39 PM »

I think the first console I bought with faders was a Kelsey.  Here is a nice link on some of the old Kelsey brochures and Prices from 1976.

 http://soundcitysite.com/kelsey_info.htm
I remember mixing on a Kelsey in 1979. IIRC, it was a pretty good desk for the times. I feel like I must've mixed on a Bi-Amp desk a few times too, but I can't remember where or when...so probably a club somewhere. I also remember being pretty happy with any Bi-Amp product that I ran across.
 
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« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2021, 08:11:32 AM »

I think the first console I bought with faders was a Kelsey.  Here is a nice link on some of the old Kelsey brochures and Prices from 1976.

 http://soundcitysite.com/kelsey_info.htm
That 20 channel was the one that was modded into a 20x6 monitor desk.

One of the best comments I got was from "Diving for Pearls".  The Road manager said "When we first got here and I looked at that desk, I thought it came from Jesus Christs last tour", but after hearing the rig, it was the best monitors we have had in 6 months".
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2021, 12:04:23 PM »

That 20 channel was the one that was modded into a 20x6 monitor desk.

One of the best comments I got was from "Diving for Pearls".  The Road manager said "When we first got here and I looked at that desk, I thought it came from Jesus Christs last tour", but after hearing the rig, it was the best monitors we have had in 6 months".
Must've been the matched set of Eq's  ;). When did we get so spoiled that everything had to be exactly the same make/model to be acceptable? :o
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2021, 12:43:50 PM »

Must've been the matched set of Eq's  ;). When did we get so spoiled that everything had to be exactly the same make/model to be acceptable? :o
Back then we did with what we had.

Like so many cases, it is the operator, more than the tools.

or as a friend of mine says "Its the Indian, not the arrow".  YES, good tools help, but I would rather have a good operator with mediocre tools, that a poor operator with great tools
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2021, 03:36:44 PM »



Like so many cases, it is the operator, more than the tools.

or as a friend of mine says "Its the Indian, not the arrow".  YES, good tools help, but I would rather have a good operator with mediocre tools, that a poor operator with great tools

Yeppers,

Or like Lee Trevino said, "A pro will beat you with an umbrella"
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2021, 06:20:26 PM »

Woody, thanks for the pictures.  I remembered 4 band eq (and maybe 8 out), but I've been through an lot of mixers.  I do remember the Trooper Monitor mixer being noisy and having way too much fixed input gain.  I won't say all those mixer memories blend together, but . . . 
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2021, 06:04:50 PM »

A while back I read a book either quoting Tom Dowd or by Tom Dowd, I forget which.  But at one point he was talking about mixing technique, and the first appearance of "slide wires" or some such named linear resistor.
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2021, 10:55:32 PM »

A while back I read a book either quoting Tom Dowd or by Tom Dowd, I forget which.  But at one point he was talking about mixing technique, and the first appearance of "slide wires" or some such named linear resistor.

There's a clip of him talking about this in the documentary film "Tom Dowd & the Language of Music".

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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2021, 08:00:17 PM »

A while back I read a book either quoting Tom Dowd or by Tom Dowd, I forget which.  But at one point he was talking about mixing technique, and the first appearance of "slide wires" or some such named linear resistor.
Tom was an early adopter (late 1950's) of using wire wound linear faders.
He preferred them wired opposite of the typical convention, saying his inclination was to "push away" what was not needed in the mix, and "pull closer" what was.
Duane Massey originally wired his 1973 console the way Tom likes, but you can't please everyone..
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Re: Sliders in consoles
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2021, 08:10:57 AM »

Tom was an early adopter (late 1950's) of using wire wound linear faders.
He preferred them wired opposite of the typical convention, saying his inclination was to "push away" what was not needed in the mix, and "pull closer" what was.
Duane Massey originally wired his 1973 console the way Tom likes, but you can't please everyone..
Art, thanks for the lesson.
that's a brilliant way to look at things.
Too bad it didn't catch on.....
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Re: Sliders in consoles
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