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John L Nobile:
--- Quote from: Dan Mortensen on July 23, 2021, 02:51:50 AM ---Thanks, Art, but I get a "This Connection is Not Private. You should close this page" popup when I try to load that page, because the certificate is expired.
The boards "looked like they were in a flight case"? That means it was a console built into an aluminum flight case with the flight case being the exterior chassis of the console (console bolted into flight case)?
That wasn't a 1S, that was a 1. I know that because in 1979 I TRIED to get one that was built that way and was told they didn't sell them that way anymore, and besides, what I really wanted was the 1s not the 1. And it came with a wooden chassis and end cheeks in a padded aluminum road case.
Or so I thought until just now looking for pictures, and finding 1s's that were bolted into aluminum flight cases, as well as some that kind of looked like mine but different geometry on the end cheeks and the arm rest.
Pics of each attached, all found online. No pics of mine.
The 1s in the wooden case is labeled as being from 1979. It appears that we are all correct, that the 1s in the wooden chassis was introduced in 1979 but there were previous versions that had flight case chassis just like the Series 1. They were not for sale in the US, at least, in late 1979. I don't know about before that.
This is definitely a trip down memory lane...
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I remember my 1s looking like the middle pic. Loved that board. I moved up from a Peavey 9 channel with huge knobs to that.
Ike Zimbel:
--- Quote from: John L Nobile on July 23, 2021, 02:30:22 PM ---I remember my 1s looking like the middle pic. Loved that board. I moved up from a Peavey 9 channel with huge knobs to that.
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That's the way I remember them, too. There was one at the El Mocombo for years (as well as a lighting console that I built, from around 1983 onwards). I mixed on a lot of different Soundcraft desks, and I've serviced a bunch as well.
Art Welter:
--- Quote from: John L Nobile on July 23, 2021, 02:30:22 PM ---I remember my 1s looking like the middle pic. Loved that board. I moved up from a Peavey 9 channel with huge knobs to that.
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My board evolution went from the Peavey PA-900 (9 channels, almost the size of a Fender Rhodes piano) to a pair of Tapco 6000 R, then a Mark Winger/Straight Up Systems 18 channel console with Bournes rotary pots throughout, then a pair of Yamaha PM1000s before the Series 800 in 1981.
Here's a photo of it from 1985, a Hanley intercom sitting on top of my custom mahogony doghouse.
200 feet from stage, 16,000 watt PA for approximately 40,000 country fans there to see Merle Haggard, John Anderson, George Strait, The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Lee Greenwood, Hank Williams, Jr., Nicolette Larson, Janie Fricke, Charley Pride, The Forester Sisters, Sawyer Brown, Earl Thomas Conley, and local acts like the Back Behind the Barn Boys, Guppie, their sound man took the shot.
The taped up sub # 8 fader was a return for a Biamp 1621 mixer used for effects returns, playback and the announce mic. We generally left the channels all up and killed the sub faders to avoid messing with (dirty) mute switches, hard to see mute LEDs in daylight ;^).
Art
brian maddox:
--- Quote from: Riley Casey on July 22, 2021, 11:38:11 AM ---....
Almost forgot I had a Europa for a while. The one that was too long to go across a truck.
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Still think this is one of the more epic design fails in Live Audio history. It was really an exceptionally good desk. I believe the Kennedy Center had one out at the millennium stage for a while because I remember mixing on one there. But the fact that it screwed up half a truck pack to bring it on tour killed it. A brilliant example of why you need people who USE your product on your design team.
The fact that all anyone really remembers is that it wouldn't fit into a truck correctly pretty much sums up the problem.... :)
Riley Casey:
That and the fact that the decision to put a gate in every channel rather than a compressor was apparently based on the fact that the gate required one less IC in the parts count. ::)
The Europa came as part of a package and only went out a few times before it went out the door permanently.
--- Quote from: brian maddox on July 24, 2021, 11:34:40 PM ---Still think this is one of the more epic design fails in Live Audio history. It was really an exceptionally good desk. I believe the Kennedy Center had one out at the millennium stage for a while because I remember mixing on one there. But the fact that it screwed up half a truck pack to bring it on tour killed it. A brilliant example of why you need people who USE your product on your design team.
The fact that all anyone really remembers is that it wouldn't fit into a truck correctly pretty much sums up the problem.... :)
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