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Mark Scrivener

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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2021, 04:29:02 am »

Yep Iím definitely not considering changing to the SRX818 subs. For the size of events Iím doing (up to 400 ish) the KW181ís are doing a great job.

I have a feeling Iím not going to find anything as good but lighter at around £3000. I think my budget would need to a least double for a smaller lightweight active system that can at least match the performance of what I already have.
The Yamaha DXRís have really hit the sweet spot for price vs performance and offer a lot of speaker for your money! Also, the QSC KW181ís offer a lot of performance in a fairly small and reasonably lightweight 18Ē speaker! I havenít found anything around £2000 (what I paid) for the pair that outperforms these that donít weigh more. The next 15Ē active speaker that I would consider as a potential upgrade without weighing more is the RCF HDM45 but these cost close to three times the price of what I originally paid for my DXR15ís!! Maybe if an exceptional ex demo deal came up I would consider these but I definitely canít justify the price difference when my current system is earning money and I consistently get compliments on the sound.

If weight reduction is your primary goal, what about moving to 12" mains and 15" subs? I've been using JBL PRX815XLFW's and I'm quite happy with them (56 lbs I think and very manageable). Can't say how they perform compared to your KW181's or the KS212c or KS112. Something like the JTR Captivator 212PRO (67 lbs) would be a step up while still giving some weight savings. And the Yamaha 12" tops are proven performers. I used 15" tops for years and don't miss lugging them around or hoisting them on poles at all. Sound wise I think 12's sound better than 15's as long as you have subs.

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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2021, 07:39:24 am »

For consideration to the OP.
Yamaha DZR10 over DXS15XLF x2, exceeds the £3000 limit some £500 by Thomann posted pricing, though sacrifices practically nothing spec wise to the current DXR15/KW181 other than weight and size. I would wager closer to budget target is probable with some price shopping.
https://www.thomannmusic.com/intl/search.html?gk=palp&bf=yamaha&ls=100
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-dzr10-d-dxs15xlf-d
https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/brochure/4/1174324/dzr_czr_brochure.pdf
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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2021, 08:39:56 am »

Thanks. Both good suggestions except that I often use the DXR15ís by themselves when itís impractical to carry a sub (often outdoor venues that have loads of steps down to amphitheaterís). The DXR15ís work great in these situations and can handle bass guitar and drums surprisingly well for a speaker on a pole. I wouldnít want to go any smaller. The DXR12ís donít handle bass guitar or drums and after using the DZR12ís I donít think the DZR10 would either!

I need something light enough for me to carry up and down steps and be able to handle bass and drums for around 200-300 people with a sub thatís 22kg as this is what Iím currently carrying with the DXR15ís and this is definitely my limit. I have done events with a single pair of DXR15ís for 320 people at one amphitheater as the acoustics were amazing and possibly the best Iíve ever heard for live bands but most gigs are around 150-200 people.



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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2021, 10:22:31 am »

can of spray paint to address the "tatty", hire an out of work hand to help with the load and keep the old rig working until this planet fully opens back up and the $ are flowing as they should.
that's my current strategy.
Friend in the biz longer than me, has always said...the private event level client doesn't know if it's QSC, Mackie, RCF, etc..they just know that you made it sound good, you were on time, professional and polite.

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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2021, 04:04:43 pm »

can of spray paint to address the "tatty", hire an out of work hand to help with the load and keep the old rig working until this planet fully opens back up and the $ are flowing as they should.
that's my current strategy.
Friend in the biz longer than me, has always said...the private event level client doesn't know if it's QSC, Mackie, RCF, etc..they just know that you made it sound good, you were on time, professional and polite.

Yes I donít think I can better what I have and still have the flexibility and performance I need until I get to £6000+  This is a price I simply cannot justify when what I have is earning money and definitely not had any complaints!
I also agree with what your friend says!
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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2021, 05:47:29 pm »

When you have a rig that works for your regular gigs making an upgrade is a tricky process.   

I'm in a similar position, I do a lot of function and tribute bands, and currentl use hk audio with two rigs an actor (4x15, 2x12) and a pulsar (4x18, 2x12) with a couple of extra subs for each so I can mix and match to cover plenty of gigs.     
I'd like to go for something like a jbl srx835p over srx828sp rig that would cover my loudest gigs with headroom to spare for fewer boxes and a simpler setup but I wouldn't really earn anymore for a £6k outlay.  It would give me a system that can expand further though so it has to be part of a longer term plan.
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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2021, 05:36:03 pm »

Yes I totally agree that Iím not likely to earn any more but the whole point of changing is to have something much lighter and smaller.
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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2021, 02:13:19 pm »

My QSC KW181/Yamaha DXR15 system cost me £3000 and this is my budget.

Funny thing about sound gear. The manufacturers all know what everyone else is doing.  In the same price range, you are pretty much going to find about the same set of features.  Sound gear gets purchased in a triangle, consisting of quality, wight and price.  Adjusting one means adjusting the others to match.

So, if you want to decrease the weight of your system, you'll either have to increase the price, or decrease the quality, or some of both.  There's no free lunch here.

As far as scuffed up speakers go, a touch of paint on certain cabinets can go a long way.  Or, if you want to get really fancy, look into covers for your speakers.  It's amazing how well a nice cover can hide a ratty speaker underneath.  As an example of this already in use, next time you're at a venue, take a look at the tables BEFORE they put the tablecloths on.  You might be amazed at how horrid they look 'naked', but look just fine once they are covered.  Use the same strategy with your speakers and they can look brand new for every show.
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Re: Change my current system?
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2021, 02:29:11 pm »

can of spray paint to address the "tatty", hire an out of work hand to help with the load and keep the old rig working until this planet fully opens back up and the $ are flowing as they should.
that's my current strategy.
Friend in the biz longer than me, has always said...the private event level client doesn't know if it's QSC, Mackie, RCF, etc..they just know that you made it sound good, you were on time, professional and polite.

Words to live by. 
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Re: Change my current system?
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