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Johnathan Cappers:
I'm in the market to grab some subs that play low and loud. I'm compiling a list of subs that have peaked my interest to grab a demo. Extension is most important for me and then SPL as I'm in a venue where the subs will mostly be installed for both theater and music work.

I was thinking a bout the BC218 (the BC415 seems to have more output, but the BC218 digs deeper and 2 benefits from forward directivity)
Some M-force cabinets from DAS
Kraken from Bassboss
RCF 9007
JTR Captivator 4000 ( not really a PA sub, but the extension is insane)

Any others I should put on my demo radar?

Caleb Dueck:

--- Quote from: Johnathan Cappers on May 17, 2021, 12:56:35 am ---I'm in the market to grab some subs that play low and loud. I'm compiling a list of subs that have peaked my interest to grab a demo. Extension is most important for me and then SPL as I'm in a venue where the subs will mostly be installed for both theater and music work.

I was thinking a bout the BC218 (the BC415 seems to have more output, but the BC218 digs deeper and 2 benefits from forward directivity)
Some M-force cabinets from DAS
Kraken from Bassboss
RCF 9007
JTR Captivator 4000 ( not really a PA sub, but the extension is insane)

Any others I should put on my demo radar?

--- End quote ---

Bassboss ZV28 - not as choked at high SPL as the Kraken.

Danley DBH-218-LC - it's a custom box, basically a 60" deep DBH with dual mouth positions.  The 'poor man's BC218'.  In multiples it plays down to around 24Hz.

If you really need 'deep' - not many subs will do really deep as well as the upper bass region.  That's where I'd play with something like BC415's for the bulk of the bass and the impact, mixed with ZV28's for the deep bass.  If you go this route, you'll need to make a list of 'deep subs' vs 'impact subs'. 

Danley TH-221 for the 'deep subs'.

Hennessey Battleaxe - has to be in multiples.

If you are open for DIY, there are a few more options. 

Helge A Bentsen:
Fulcrum TS221
EAW SB2001 or Otto
Meyer 1100LFC

Johnathan Cappers:

--- Quote from: Caleb Dueck on May 17, 2021, 01:54:21 am ---Bassboss ZV28 - not as choked at high SPL as the Kraken.

Danley DBH-218-LC - it's a custom box, basically a 60" deep DBH with dual mouth positions.  The 'poor man's BC218'.  In multiples it plays down to around 24Hz.

If you really need 'deep' - not many subs will do really deep as well as the upper bass region.  That's where I'd play with something like BC415's for the bulk of the bass and the impact, mixed with ZV28's for the deep bass.  If you go this route, you'll need to make a list of 'deep subs' vs 'impact subs'. 

Danley TH-221 for the 'deep subs'.

Hennessey Battleaxe - has to be in multiples.

If you are open for DIY, there are a few more options.

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I actually am open to DIY, If I can get a few opinions of how the sub may sound before building it. The only reason I say that is because some subs look good on paper and measure a certain way, but sound terrible, but I've some decent wood working skills.  I've actually tried to hear a shootout between a TH221 and BC218 but nobody  seems to have the 221 nearby (miami). I am surprised to hear that the Kraken sounds "choked", I am wondering if it is because its port or vent limited? Possibly amp limiters?

 

Ivan Beaver:
The one thing to remember is the tradeoff.

With ANY sub, as you go lower, you get less output (everything else being equal)

It is roughly 9dB octave.

So you must really consider how low and how loud you REALLY need to go.  You have to give up something.

When comparing loudspeakers, the "simple numbers" can often be misleading.  Sometimes VERY misleading.

You REALLY need to see measured response graphs, in relation to input level to begin to be able to compare.

Without a response graph, you have no idea how low the cabinet can really go.

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