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Steven Eudaly

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Re: Genie lift service?
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2021, 08:04:11 pm »

I would have asked to show me the bend using what ever gauge or fixture they measure it with.

Agreed. For better or worse I was not directly involved in the service transaction. I just had to write the check for new lifts.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2021, 04:23:40 pm »

Yeah, sounds fishy to me too.

Yeah, seems a bit fishy.  The sad thing is some service departments do fishy things.  If you were the sole owner of the lifts and never used them in a way that should have caused a bend in them, and they couldn't show you the exact cause of the bend, AND you know of it happening again, well, that certainly adds to the suspicion of what they are doing...
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2021, 11:33:07 pm »

Yeah, seems a bit fishy.  The sad thing is some service departments do fishy things.  If you were the sole owner of the lifts and never used them in a way that should have caused a bend in them, and they couldn't show you the exact cause of the bend, AND you know of it happening again, well, that certainly adds to the suspicion of what they are doing...

Or maybe it's their test equipment that's bent.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2021, 12:23:03 am »

Or maybe it's their test equipment that's bent.

Or it kind of looks like their customers are getting bent.   ;D

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2021, 05:40:44 am »

We were always very careful to use these lifts within their means, never cross rented or used without our techs involved and they were regularly inspected and lubricated in the shop, so this came as quite the surprise. We ended up just picking up the parts and scrapping pretty much everything except a few usable pieces. We now own some VMB lifts that we are extremely careful with.

I figure most folks on here are careful, but this sort of thing makes me wonder how many people ignore, either accidentally or blatantly, the decreasing load rating the farther out on the forks you go. (Steven, I'm not picking on you here, just to be clear)

Case in point: Front page of the local paper a few days ago had a story about the first outdoor show returning to the local fairgrounds at half capacity, accompanied by 3 photos at load-in.  In one of those photos, clear as day, you can see one of the arrays on a lift, and the top two sections of the lift are bowing and it's not just lens distortion from the camera.

Taking a stab at which model lifts they were and which model boxes (mfg of both lift and boxes were somewhat obvious), they were likely just below (ok) load limit but at <10" from the mast.  Based on where the arrays were actually rigged on the lift though, they were somewhere between +25% and +50% over the rated load limit.  Very much not ok.  That sort of thing makes me wonder if someone just didn't RTFM, or if they said "Hey, our lifts are rated at X" and never realized that it changes the farther out from the mast you get.

Scott, to answer your original question and trying not to swerve too far off topic: We let the pros handle our lift and hoist maintenance other than the frequent inspection and lubrication, which can easily be done in-house by "a qualified person" (to borrow the lexicon from one of the recent CM classes).
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2021, 10:19:55 am »

I figure most folks on here are careful, but this sort of thing makes me wonder how many people ignore, either accidentally or blatantly, the decreasing load rating the farther out on the forks you go. (Steven, I'm not picking on you here, just to be clear)

I completely agree with this theory. I have a feeling that could be what happened. A load too close to limit that wasn't kept within the correct range. We had load weights/distances posted on the back of the mast and marks on the forks for our heaviest load but that doesn't mean someone used it incorrectly at some point (perhaps put the pick point on wrong side of mark). Another theory is cranking the lift up or down too quickly and causing a load to "bounce" creating additional, dynamic load.

When we received our VMBs that replaced the Sumners in question, we spray painted red, yellow and green zones on the top of the forks according to the manufacturer's specs for what load ranges are acceptable where.


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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2021, 05:15:59 pm »

We did almost buy some of the Eventer lifts, but realized that the ratings were different than the Genies and wouldn't work for our application.  With the Eventer the max load has to be significantly closer to the column.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2021, 03:29:27 pm »

So we did have a couple of lifts just come back from service at the Genie dealer.  They replaced the winches, so I asked to get the old winches back for educational purposes.

The brake mechanism is pretty clever.  It's two disks (ceramic or very hard fiber?) squeezed between three steel plates.  All this is part of the ratchet mechanism.  The pull on the winch drum works to squeeze the brake tighter, while an opposite movement on the handles loosens the brake.  So the "grip" of the brake is affected by the weight of the load.  Over time this will be further affected by rust and hard gunk building up on the steel brake surfaces, throwing the balance towards too much braking. So after enough outdoor shows and general age you'll start getting the dreaded "refuses to lower" problem.  I definitely found that to be true in the one I took apart.
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