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Ed Hall

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How would you explain it?
« on: March 29, 2021, 11:13:00 am »

So how do you explain the concept of "Buy Once, Cry Once" to your significant other; when "You can get the same thing at Walmart for $50?"
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2021, 11:23:26 am »

She buying a $30000 kitchen when a $5000 one does the same.

She buying a $300 bra when a 15$ does the same.

Except those will never make any money while our stuff does/can/should.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2021, 11:54:19 am »

I always understood the BOCO point was:
1- Cheap parts will break with normal use (usually at the worst possible time), and good parts can last a lifetime.
2- Buying cheap stuff that doesn't do the job well will require future purchases of good stuff that will.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2021, 01:15:06 pm by Dave Garoutte »
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2021, 12:13:59 pm »

The "hand truck" from Walmart would break trying to carry the one you bought.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2021, 12:18:44 pm »

The "hand truck" from Walmart would break trying to carry the one you bought.
A few months ago, the local Walmart was using the front sidewalk of the building for staging some new large fixtures.  Among the debris was a yellow plastic platform dolly, in pieces, it couldn't handle the weight. 
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2021, 12:21:18 pm »

So how do you explain the concept of "Buy Once, Cry Once" to your significant other; when "You can get the same thing at Walmart for $50?"
Hey Ed, if you can get me 2 of those at Wally's for 50 each, I'll gladly pay the shipping to Montreal...  ;D
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2021, 01:11:51 pm »

Well, a quick search at WalMart finds hand trucks ranging in price from $25 to $700.

The one that most looks like the 'same thing' is $230.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Nexel-800-lb-Capacity-Hand-Truck-Dolly/113062412

For hand trucks, the first critical component is to make sure that it has the carrying capacity for what you plan to move with it, with enough room to spare for safety. A hand truck that breaks while moving gear risks the cost of the gear plus injury to anyone around.

It's not unreasonable to assume that in the audio business you'll be at some point moving things around weighing several hundred pounds with the truck.  With rigging, you never load things completely to the max, so even with a modest 2:1 safety rating, having a hand truck rated at less than 500lbs is a recipe for disaster.

Secondly, having a dolly that moves properly over the surfaces you intend to use it on is critical, again for the safety of the operator and those around.  If a dolly is not proper, moving heavy gear can result in injury because you have to struggle to keep the equipment in place, or if something falls off the dolly, someone nearby could be injured.

A good solid hand truck should pretty much last as long as you plan to stay in business, maybe with minor repairs along the way, unless something stupid happens, like it gets run over by a truck or something.

My heavy duty ones are almost as old as I am and I have no plans to replace them.  All of the light duty ones I've had I've ended up overloading and damaging at some point, so I don't even bother getting light duty units anymore.  Just not worth it in the long run.  If I knew I'd never have to use it for heavy loads, maybe. But I know me, and there's always going to be that unexpected heavy load to move, so I make sure a heavy duty dolly is with me for every show, no exceptions.  In fact, typically, I'll have 2. One with pneumatic wheels, and then one with hard wheels.  Hard wheels are great on hard surfaces, carry a heavy load a little more stable, and don't go flat. Pneumatics are almost a must on softer surfaces outdoors, but if they go flat, they are useless.  So the truck pack typically plans for space for one of each in the back of the truck.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2021, 07:12:08 pm »

That looks like the exact same model Hand-truck that I use a lot. I like that it turns into a dolly (if that is what you call it). Just be really careful when changing it from one mode to the other as with anything that folds it will bite you if you aren't careful. That's why I always wear work gloves when loading and unloading a system and setting it up and taking it down. 
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2021, 09:55:32 pm »

So how do you explain the concept of "Buy Once, Cry Once" to your significant other; when "You can get the same thing at Walmart for $50?"

Because one can't get a truck like that for $50 anywhere and that's what it takes.  Anything less is a hazard to both equipment loaded onto it and the operator.

BOCO is a truth.  I've owned more air compressors than I can remember.  5 over the last 20 years.  Currently a 5HP & 2HP Quincy's in tandem which runs the sandblaster "ok" but not really well.  Would have been less to just get this one initially and Git "R Done.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2021, 10:59:17 pm »

You guys never disappoint! 
It was more a rhetorical question. I'm a believer of BOCO and Good tools are expensive, but Cheap tools are damned expensive! She just doesn't always see it in audio equipment/tools. Had a similar "discussion" when 200 feet of 12/3 SO showed up recently. UPS wasn't too happy that day either.  Shh! Don't tell her about the Smaart license.  :-X
C'est la vie!
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2021, 12:51:32 pm »

Ever notice the stores selling cheap tools never actually use them themselves? Or that they don't actually sell the products they themselves use?

I'll bet you a KitKat that you won't find that hand truck schlepping stuff from the back of the store to the front.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 05:43:35 pm »

You guys never disappoint! 
It was more a rhetorical question. I'm a believer of BOCO and Good tools are expensive, but Cheap tools are damned expensive! She just doesn't always see it in audio equipment/tools. Had a similar "discussion" when 200 feet of 12/3 SO showed up recently. UPS wasn't too happy that day either.  Shh! Don't tell her about the Smaart license.  :-X
C'est la vie!

It's the other way round in this house, she who should be obeyed just splashed out on a synth emulation of a cs80, when asked why when she's got a real one her reply was "you're too old to move it now"  >:( >:(
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 07:37:06 pm »

From Red Adair (about fighting oil rig fires):

"If You Think It’s Expensive To Hire A Professional To Do The Job, Wait Until You Hire An Amateur.”

I feel the same about buying the right tools.

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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2021, 07:53:47 pm »

So how do you explain the concept of "Buy Once, Cry Once" to your significant other; when "You can get the same thing at Walmart for $50?"

That also applies to a wife. Just sayin'...
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2021, 08:11:43 pm »

From Red Adair (about fighting oil rig fires):

"If You Think It’s Expensive To Hire A Professional To Do The Job, Wait Until You Hire An Amateur.”

I feel the same about buying the right tools.
Amen that! 

Also, I once saw Red interviewed after extinguishing an oil-tank fire and the reported asked how much services like his cost the city. He grinned a bit sheepishly and said “Well I don’t want to discuss specific numbers but rest assured we always want to leave our clients happy —- if not necessarily thrilled”.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 01:15:50 am »

I'm pretty lucky I guess?!?!?!? My wife is a firm believer in the concept of buying the best you can at ALL COSTS. She just doesn't seem to understand that if you apply that concept to everything you buy, you are always broke.....
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 06:55:10 am »

My philosophy on this has always been that if life or the means of living (job) depend on any given purchase working correctly - don't cut corners.  I'll gladly buy a budget tool at bottom of the Harbor Freight for that once-off project around my shop or property, but when life safety and professional reputation/income matter I'll gladly spend the extra money to ensure the protection of both.
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Re: How would you explain it?
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2021, 04:05:46 pm »

That also applies to a wife. Just sayin'...

Um, well... Never Mind!   ;D
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