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Replace my Danley TH115's with...?
Helge A Bentsen:
If new, I would look into Fulcrum TS221 or EAW SB2001.
If used, EAW SB1000.
If cheap, whatever decent in my local used market. Bought 12 RCF 2x18" for around $3000 a while back.
If money no issue, EAW Otto. By far the best sub I've ever been fortunate enough to use.
Mark Wilkinson:
+1 to both the BassBoss and JTR offerings.
May i ask what it is about the TH115's sound that seems off?
(i ask because the TH-118's sound a little 'huh?' to me too...compared to a front loaded horn or well done bass reflex...)
If DIY is an option, i can vouch for a couple of BMS 18n862's in a vented cabinet.
About $1400 a box to build. Easy build, can send plans if interested.
Martin Morris:
--- Quote from: Ryan C. Davis on February 21, 2021, 03:14:02 PM ---Hey guys,
Been running 6 Danley TH-115's for a few years now (3 per side). They play loud but I'm not super happy with the way they sound. I've tried to put my finger on it but really the more I mess with delays and EQ's the more frustrated I get. I have a smaller rig that I use JBL SRX718's with and I like them a lot, they're lightweight and the straightforward design I think lends itself to being more accurate. I was thinking about selling my TH's and going to 4x front firing 18's per side (two double 18 cabs per side) instead. I've been searching around to see who has what and it seems like I'm either finding flyable boxes that are $5-10k each or what I would consider more prosumer offerings like the QSC181's. Not saying anything bad about either of those options but I'm looking for something to be ground stacked. I keep dreaming of a pair of BC218's but they're insanely expensive, and they weigh like 700 lbs. Anyone have a recommendation for a double 18" front firing sub they have used and love? There is only so much I can glean from a spec sheet. I'd be open to other suggestions too I just think the front firing is going to have the best sonic characteristics, maybe I'm wrong. I heard some Renkus Heinz boxes at NAMM two years ago that I liked but honestly I'm kind of lost here. I assumed I would do passive boxes but if active is where its at I'm open to that too. Sorry for the rambling post.
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Ryan,
I see from another post you are using a TEF analyzer:
"Hey Art, are you talking about the gradations on the RTA? I'm using a TEF 20 and I have options for 5, 3, and 1dB gradations."
Have you looked at the TH115's with the TEF?
What's the time domain looking like and the interaction with your mains? - if you're not using Danley tops with Danely presets I would set some time aside and look into the time domain of the whole system. How the phase traces overlap etc ... Allpass filters ... wink wink ...
What DSP are you using?
cheers
Martin
Martin Morris:
--- Quote from: Ryan C. Davis on February 21, 2021, 03:14:02 PM ---Hey guys,
Been running 6 Danley TH-115's for a few years now (3 per side). They play loud but I'm not super happy with the way they sound. I've tried to put my finger on it but really the more I mess with delays and EQ's the more frustrated I get. I have a smaller rig that I use JBL SRX718's with and I like them a lot, they're lightweight and the straightforward design I think lends itself to being more accurate. I was thinking about selling my TH's and going to 4x front firing 18's per side (two double 18 cabs per side) instead. I've been searching around to see who has what and it seems like I'm either finding flyable boxes that are $5-10k each or what I would consider more prosumer offerings like the QSC181's. Not saying anything bad about either of those options but I'm looking for something to be ground stacked. I keep dreaming of a pair of BC218's but they're insanely expensive, and they weigh like 700 lbs. Anyone have a recommendation for a double 18" front firing sub they have used and love? There is only so much I can glean from a spec sheet. I'd be open to other suggestions too I just think the front firing is going to have the best sonic characteristics, maybe I'm wrong. I heard some Renkus Heinz boxes at NAMM two years ago that I liked but honestly I'm kind of lost here. I assumed I would do passive boxes but if active is where its at I'm open to that too. Sorry for the rambling post.
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Ryan,
see attached TEF measurement from Danley - that's a very usable passband to work with. Does a single TH115 look close to this? which was also measured with a TEF - if not investigate further. Are the drivers 18sound or B&C? - I think they may have swapped driver manufacturers over the years ...
How's the Mag & Phase compare? and what is it about a double 18 reflex cab that you like? - once you find one you like, measure it and apply a bit of that voicing to your TH's. And yeah I get that some of the uniqueness of a double 18 reflex cab won't be able to be reproduced.
Also, see Duane's thread on transient response, and Art nailed it ...
https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,175091.0.html
No need for getting the checkbook out ... just yet anyway.
cheers
Martin
Ryan C. Davis:
--- Quote from: Doug Fowler on February 21, 2021, 05:21:09 PM ---Check out BASSBOSS. David is building some fantastic subs.
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Thanks for the recommendation, Doug!
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