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John L Nobile

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New Behringer lights
« on: February 08, 2021, 11:18:11 am »

Behringer has a blurb out about some new lights. I think the 7x10 watt mover looks interesting. Curious about the price.

https://www.behringer.com/series.html?category=R-BEHRINGER-EUROLIGHTSERIES

I have Martin Rush MH2's that have been working well with the same specs. I'd like to add something similar when things start up again and I probably won't have much of a budget. A 3 year warranty and a metal case have my attention.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2021, 08:11:52 pm »

Behringer has a blurb out about some new lights. I think the 7x10 watt mover looks interesting. Curious about the price.

https://www.behringer.com/series.html?category=R-BEHRINGER-EUROLIGHTSERIES

I have Martin Rush MH2's that have been working well with the same specs. I'd like to add something similar when things start up again and I probably won't have much of a budget. A 3 year warranty and a metal case have my attention.


$140 EU, about $200 US Thonann has them in stock.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2021, 10:20:19 am »


$140 EU, about $200 US Thonann has them in stock.

Crazy cheap. I think my MH2's were CDN $1200.00 5 or 6 years ago. Could probably get 4 or 5 lights for that.

As a sound guy, I really appreciate cheap lighting as it leaves more money in the budget for PA; the important stuff.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2021, 01:30:34 pm »

Crazy cheap. I think my MH2's were CDN $1200.00 5 or 6 years ago. Could probably get 4 or 5 lights for that.

As a sound guy, I really appreciate cheap lighting as it leaves more money in the budget for PA; the important stuff.

hey just need to release a cheap controller for them now, yes they do still have the LC2412 (V2), but that is not really suitable for moving lights.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2021, 02:25:28 pm »

Interesting indeed, and the need for an updated controller was my thought too.  I still have my LC2412 from my high school days and use it around the shop on occasion, but it's a far cry from any modern console.  Despite the low channel count and general hate for this board it still has a surprising set of features for a sub-$200 board. 

I'll be curious to see how the fixtures themselves sell as a whole.  With the prevalence of direct-from-China lights I'm surprised that Behringer feels the industry needs yet another budget light fixture vendor, but it'd be nice to bump the price point down again for lights that aren't garbage.  With such a tight market though and acceptable offerings becoming even cheaper it'll be an uphill battle for sure.  Time will tell though!
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2021, 02:36:28 pm »

Interesting indeed, and the need for an updated controller was my thought too.  I still have my LC2412 from my high school days and use it around the shop on occasion, but it's a far cry from any modern console.  Despite the low channel count and general hate for this board it still has a surprising set of features for a sub-$200 board. 

I'll be curious to see how the fixtures themselves sell as a whole.  With the prevalence of direct-from-China lights I'm surprised that Behringer feels the industry needs yet another budget light fixture vendor, but it'd be nice to bump the price point down again for lights that aren't garbage.  With such a tight market though and acceptable offerings becoming even cheaper it'll be an uphill battle for sure.  Time will tell though!

Yes the LC2412 at the time was a bargain for what it offered, especially because it had MIDI and analogue control. Yes there were a few firmware issues along the way (some relating to the incorrect use of this board with intelligent lights), but it seemd a pretty soild board.
It seems that throughout Behringer's history the non audio products have all been fine.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2021, 03:59:41 pm »

hey just need to release a cheap controller for them now, yes they do still have the LC2412 (V2), but that is not really suitable for moving lights.

Wonder if Behringer has GrandMa or Jands on their radar for a future purchase? Now that they sell movers they're going to need to sell a controller. There's a lot of money to be made in lighting.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2021, 04:26:55 pm »

they just need to release a cheap controller for them now,

Steinigke Showtechnic has a couple of small controllers that might fit the bill here, they are available on Thomann for not much money.
https://www.steinigke.de/en/mpn70064515-eurolite-dmx-move-controller-512.html
https://www.steinigke.de/en/mpn70064516-eurolite-dmx-move-controller-512-pro.html

In a strange coincidence this line also carries the "Eurolite" series name... :o

The Move Controller 512 is also marketed by Blizzard Lighting as the ProControl MH.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2021, 04:46:08 pm »

Steinigke Showtechnic has a couple of small controllers that might fit the bill here, they are available on Thomann for not much money.
https://www.steinigke.de/en/mpn70064515-eurolite-dmx-move-controller-512.html
https://www.steinigke.de/en/mpn70064516-eurolite-dmx-move-controller-512-pro.html

In a strange coincidence this line also carries the "Eurolite" series name... :o

The Move Controller 512 is also marketed by Blizzard Lighting as the ProControl MH.

Different company AFAIK. Plus Behringer spell it Eurolight.
I do know that some of the cheaper controllers can be had under many different brand names, I know when I had my Stairville (Thomann own brand, interestingly Stair Village is the English translation of Treppendorf, the village where Thomann is located) DMX Master I it was recommended that the manual for one under a different barnd name was used because it was better written.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2021, 07:17:32 pm »

Wonder if Behringer has GrandMa or Jands on their radar for a future purchase? Now that they sell movers they're going to need to sell a controller. There's a lot of money to be made in lighting.

There is indeed, especially considering that lighting has yet to have an "X32 revolution" similar to what digital mixers got back around 2012.  The question though is if Behringer can really break into the professional lighting market.  Despite ETC being the golden standard for theatrical cuing they've failed multiple times to get a footing in the busking market - Cobalt being the most recent attempt - prior to just buying the Hog4 product line outright.  Can Behringer do what ETC could not?  10 years ago I'd say never, but after seeing the impact of the X32 I'd say there's a chance!
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2021, 11:42:16 pm »

With the prevalence of direct-from-China lights I'm surprised that Behringer feels the industry needs yet another budget light fixture vendor

The whole direct from China thing works fine - if you don't care about consistency or repeatability.  If you bought some rando light and then next week had to find it again, that factory may or may not exist anymore.  Forget about warranty or service.  Make sure you buy enough of the lights so that you can replace failed ones during the expected life of the set.

Having a brand that at least somewhat can maintain a consistent supply at low prices isn't a bad thing.

And yeah, people re-buy lights ALL the time.  Lights are pretty and fun.  There's money to be made there. Speakers, amps and mixers are way more boring.  You buy that stuff once a decade or 2.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2021, 06:30:02 pm »

There hasn't been a low-priced full-featured controller since the Showdesigner series. It seems that most mid-level "light guys" buy software (or freeware) and are quite happy. I just can't get enthusiastic about the various PC-based systems I've come across for live work.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2021, 09:56:04 pm »

I would love to see a small flying fader desk.  The problem with all the smaller controllers is when you change banks or fixtures, the faders aren't updated, so you really don't know where you are if you are busking a show.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2021, 12:07:23 am »

I would love to see a small flying fader desk. 
One of the EuroLite desks I linked has motorized faders.
https://www.steinigke.de/en/mpn70064516-eurolite-dmx-move-controller-512-pro.html
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2021, 01:29:57 pm »

Having a brand that at least somewhat can maintain a consistent supply at low prices isn't a bad thing.

And yeah, people re-buy lights ALL the time.  Lights are pretty and fun.  There's money to be made there. Speakers, amps and mixers are way more boring.  You buy that stuff once a decade or 2.

Hey, I've got lighting equipment in use pushing 20 years old over here! 

But yes, I agree with your point.  Mine is more that we have ebay/Amazon/Monoprice to cover the ultra-cheap disposable fixtures.  American DJ, Chauvet DJ, Blizzard, Marq, and many others have the "DJ" level covered with increasingly competitive prices on pretty okay equipment to the point it's overlapping the Direct-from-China bit.  Martin even tried to grab a piece of this market with the THIRLL Series and (thankfully) failed at that. 

Chauvet Pro and Elation overlap a good bit on the upper end of the club/DJ market with many offerings now extending into the pro install/touring market to compete with the established pro providers such as Martin, High End, Clay Paky, and so on.  With so many good choices already in play I'm just surprised to see Behringer trying to jump in now too, unless they have bigger plans yet unannounced such as marketing a revolutionary light console.  We shall see!
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2021, 02:14:28 pm »

I have a GrandMA on PC and it's been discontinued. Which kinda pisses me off. I can understand a paid update to bring it to an MA3 type level but discontinuing it probably writes me off as a customer. Don't think they'll lose any sleep over it.

So I will probably be looking for a new controller next year. And the less I have to spend on lighting, the better. I'd like to see Behringer have some pro options by then. Maybe something where the workflow makes more sense to a sound guy. Lighting boards have always confused me.



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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2021, 10:38:14 am »

Behringer has a blurb out about some new lights. I think the 7x10 watt mover looks interesting. Curious about the price.

https://www.behringer.com/series.html?category=R-BEHRINGER-EUROLIGHTSERIES

I have Martin Rush MH2's that have been working well with the same specs. I'd like to add something similar when things start up again and I probably won't have much of a budget. A 3 year warranty and a metal case have my attention.

As Behringer is predominantly an audio company, these lights are almost certainly re-badged Chinese models, shared with various other "manufacturers". My preference would be to stick with established lighting manufacturers that offer good-quality lower-priced ranges, such as Chauvet, Elation, ETC, Martin, Robe etc
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2021, 01:05:06 pm »

As Behringer is predominantly an audio company, these lights are almost certainly re-badged Chinese models, shared with various other "manufacturers". My preference would be to stick with established lighting manufacturers that offer good-quality lower-priced ranges, such as Chauvet, Elation, ETC, Martin, Robe etc

Why can't Behringer have lights made to their specs by a Chinese company? I have a very strong feeling that those other companies you mentioned do that. And while I'd rather buy lights from an established company, why would I pay more for a similar light when I'm buying from a very large company that's also offering a warranty? Especially in the near future when budget is going to be tighter than a mouses ear.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2021, 03:24:17 am »

Have heard a few people suggest  Lightshark as possibly becoming the X32 of lighting desks IF they can sort the FX side of it out.
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Re: New Behringer lights
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2021, 01:05:10 pm »

Why can't Behringer have lights made to their specs by a Chinese company? I have a very strong feeling that those other companies you mentioned do that. And while I'd rather buy lights from an established company, why would I pay more for a similar light when I'm buying from a very large company that's also offering a warranty? Especially in the near future when budget is going to be tighter than a mouses ear.

Well for ME/my company/customers, using Chauvet for instance I have a rep that gets me demos, answers my texts within minutes, provides loaners when there are backorders, also I can actually call someone that will help if problems, advance replacements etc. Not a crappy forum and website to “fill out a support ticket” and wait. Also, they do LIGHTs only. Behringer seems to dabble in stuff and who knows their long terms plans. And their warranty is very limited.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2021, 03:32:05 pm »

Well for ME/my company/customers, using Chauvet for instance I have a rep that gets me demos, answers my texts within minutes, provides loaners when there are backorders, also I can actually call someone that will help if problems, advance replacements etc. Not a crappy forum and website to “fill out a support ticket” and wait. Also, they do LIGHTs only. Behringer seems to dabble in stuff and who knows their long terms plans. And their warranty is very limited.

We're looking at this from different perspectives. I'm a customer and you're a supplier. I'd prefer to pay as little as possible for a light that will be either obsolete, worse or less that 1/2 the price a year from now.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 04:05:08 pm »

Also, they do LIGHTs only. Behringer seems to dabble in stuff and who knows their long terms plans.

You might be surprised - there are many companies that share commonality as you move further up the ownership chain...Harman being one of them.
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