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frank kayser

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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2020, 09:52:43 AM »

For me its less about future proofing and more about future headache removal.

You asked for cheap ;)

The number of hdmi over catx solutions out there are endless and most are crap, I bid you good luck sir.

Here's a pinned post I did in my discord for installs and such for the networking channel.

Cat6A Keystone High Quality
https://falcontech.us/products/leviton-6asjk-rl6-cat6a-rj45-quickport-atlas-x1-jack-module-shielded-blue

Cat6A Keystone Med Quality
https://www.amazon.com/Listed-Cable-Matters-Shielded-Keystone/dp/B00CLVAJCK

Keystone 1RU patch panel
https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/patch-panels/wirepath-trade%3B-rack-mount-24-port-blank-patch-panel-wp-bpp-24

Unshielded Cat5e ezRJ-45 connectors
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D3DX6NG/

Shielded Cat6A (non HDBaseT) ezRJ-45 connectors (must use enhanced crimp tool)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C2FSQ2P/

Shielded Cat5e ezRJ-45
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052V6WGS/

Cheap poe switch (unmanaged) [useful for ME boxes, must use 100BaseT connection]
https://www.amazon.com/BV-Tech-Switch-Gigabit-Ethernet-uplink/dp/B01MQHD54L

Cat6A ethernet patch cables monoprice
https://www.monoprice.com/category/cables/networking-patch-cables/cat6a-ethernet-cables

Cat6A ethernet patch cables cable matters
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Snagless-Shielded-Ethernet/dp/B00HEM57ZU/


Wow!  Thanks, Nathan!  Perfect.  Though I may have implied cheap :-[ , I meant to communicate trusted manufacturer and their lower end product.  I am worried about choosing crap - it's soo easy.


Keep in mind that ez plugs will void some warranties.  Creation is one IIRC.  I just donít use them at all anymore.  Apparently the problem is that on poe type systems you can get shorts from the exposed wire ends to shielded jacks.  The risk is highest when ez connectors are terminated with a standard crimp tool and then the protruding wires are cut with a razor blade or similar.  There are ways to terminate that reduce the risk but by then you may as well just use normal connectors.


Interesting point, Erik. I did read EZ Connectors could be problematic.  I have not read that they could void warranties - though many of the cheap :-[  boxes did not have a warranty anyway. One theory was pulling the strands to seat the jacket deeper in the connector, and the cable naturally pulling back creating a less-than-perfect connection.  One particular post was over two years old... True Cable discussed some design improvements based on some complaints about the EZ connectors being unreliable, especially in the video distribution world.  They talked about three prong piercers and how that would support the wires more side to side, and improve pull resistance. 


The cut of the extra protruding wires has been an issue with, as you mentioned, using an older non-trimming tool, and trimming - somehow, whether by razor or flush cut wire cutters, or some other way altogether.  I could see sloppy cutting could indeed cause POE/POC shorting.  I've recently invested in a True Cable install tool.  I've been lucky thus far installing 5e with EZ connectors and a razor knife.  Time to upgrade.


So, I see you've abandoned the EZ Connectors, but I do wonder how current the warnings are and whether the redesign of many cat6 and cat5e connectors has alleviated the problem.  I anticipate keystone at one end, and a patch panel at the other.  Should be very little RJ45 connectors that are not part of a pre-made jumper.


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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2020, 01:43:38 PM »

Frank,

FWIW, weíve been using the Platinum Tools EZ connectors (Cat 5 and Cat 6, UTP and STP) along with their crimping/trimming tools with no issues for many years.  All of our production network cable (both inside racks and Ethercon cables are terminated with them.  Weíve also used them on installs with no problems.

I definitely find it easier to keep the twists tight right up to the pins with the pass through connectors.

I have had people cringe when I tell them thatís what we use, but I have never had an issue.  Perhaps some of the knock off brands have issues or if you donít use the intended and proper crimper/trimmer, I could potentially see issues.

Just wanted to share our experience.  As always, YMMV.

Cheers,
Brian
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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2020, 03:00:16 PM »

If you're not using proper ezrj45 crimper's and instead trimming by hand you might as well not use them...
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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2020, 03:01:38 PM »

HDMI over cat 6 can be a nightmare.  Have you considered HDMI to SDI converters?  I've personally had much better luck with that.

Or, another alternative is modulate your channels to ATSC.  This lets you then just run and split regular old coax and now you pick which receiver your TV gets to see by picking a channel right on the TV. In some cases, it's easier to point the remote at the TV you want to change than have some other box.  Although with 24 units, that might be a bit of a hassle.
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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2020, 04:49:57 PM »

They make HDMI fiber optic cable that can run 100 meters.
The converters are built in and powered by the source.
They work great.
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2020, 05:05:40 PM »

They make HDMI fiber optic cable that can run 100 meters.
The converters are built in and powered by the source.
They work great.

The monoprice ones I've used and they're quite good and reasonably priced.
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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2020, 11:06:28 PM »

HDMI over cat 6 can be a nightmare.  Have you considered HDMI to SDI converters?  I've personally had much better luck with that.

Or, another alternative is modulate your channels to ATSC.  This lets you then just run and split regular old coax and now you pick which receiver your TV gets to see by picking a channel right on the TV. In some cases, it's easier to point the remote at the TV you want to change than have some other box.  Although with 24 units, that might be a bit of a hassle.

HDMI to SDI is likely to introduce HDCP issues.  Some gear respects it (and won't transmit video) other gear does not and strips it.  At the price point Frank is looking at it would probably be a crap shoot.  I love SDI but it's probably not the right solution here.
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Re: HDMI over Cat6 - Sports Bar install
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2020, 12:38:45 AM »

HDMI to SDI is likely to introduce HDCP issues.  Some gear respects it (and won't transmit video) other gear does not and strips it.  At the price point Frank is looking at it would probably be a crap shoot.  I love SDI but it's probably not the right solution here.

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