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On the Turning Away
Dennis Wiggins:
What to do with all these passive cabinets?
Since around 1978, I have turned my inventory about every 4 years, while things still had resale value. This has always worked. 2 years (or so) ago, I flipped to powered cabinets but this time made no attempt to sell my old "favvies," thinking that for some situations they might be better.
I was wrong. I liked them because they sound like me, not how the built-in DSP wants me to sound. I got lazy. I lost my identity and really miss working my Kosmos on the dance floor. DSP killed (neutered) that.
The show will go on.
Scott Holtzman:
--- Quote from: Dennis Wiggins on November 11, 2020, 08:27:22 PM ---What to do with all these passive cabinets?
Since around 1978, I have turned my inventory about every 4 years, while things still had resale value. This has always worked. 2 years (or so) ago, I flipped to powered cabinet but this time made no attempt to sell my old "favvies," thinking that for some situations they might be better.
I was wrong. I liked them because they sound like me, not how the built-in DSP wants me to sound. I got lazy. I lost my identity and really miss working my Kosmos on the dance floor. DSP killed (neutered) that.
The show will go on.
--- End quote ---
How can a DSP neuter your sound? Are you talking about a Peavey Kosmos processor? No reason you can't use it.
MikeHarris:
you have reopened a can of worms....some are gonna wiggle out.
DSP has taken a bit of unique-ness once available to the experienced designer out of the currently available solutions.
I still have a box of passive networks...custom built for me by White Instruments...which plugged into the octal sockets on BGW amps to make them band-specific...like we do now with DSP.
I would love to build a new club completely analog...from source to ears
I had plans with Scotty J to redoo Eldorado Auto Skooters in Coney Island but with his untimely death we lost one of the true champions of quality dance sound.
Dennis Wiggins:
--- Quote from: Scott Holtzman on November 11, 2020, 09:38:08 PM ---
How can a DSP neuter your sound? Are you talking about a Peavey Kosmos processor? No reason you can't use it.
--- End quote ---
Yes. When I use this effect with powered subs (specifically, ZXA1-Sub and ELX200-18SP ) their internal 'workings' filter out most of what try to add in. This is not unlike 'getting the tone" from a guitar amp. My old school EV X180B dual 18s and even the sB122s (both high passed at 45hz with my own EQ/Limiting) responded quite well for the last 2 decades. I never blew any drivers.
I am not complaining about the performance of powered speakers; a DXR12 over either of these powered subs sounds fantastic. What's missing is my ability to 'play' the bottom end of the system.
I can live with it, but miss that bit of being able to work the floor.
-Dennis
<edit> As tracks may wildly differ from each other, I constantly have to adjust top to sub balance via aux-fed subs. Where there is too much bass I roll it off. Where there is too little or in some cases no low bass, that's where aux boost and synthesized [Peavey Kosmos] low frequencies are added to my liking.
I do 'play' my system like an instrument.
-D
MikeHarris:
that pesky worm...the biggest problem is you have had the need...the ability...and the ears to tailor the sound to get the 'feel' you seek. I dont believe DJ's today are aware of the options we used to have
As good as Powersoft or Lab Gruppen sounds on paper...a bridge mono GTA will have a better*bass sound in any dance club.
Crown MA3600/5000 a joke on low end.
We would also choose amplifiers like Bryston or UREI for the horns and tweets as they were less harsh..
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* better = fuller..rounder..make you shake your ass
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