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Thomas Le

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Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:07:26 am »

A bizarre request I know, and before you all say "go digital", it's a long story of the church board being a GL2400, not feasible lugging my personal M32R every Sunday, dealing with physical patching and getting everything situated, especially when the ban is lifted.


Now there is no FX unit currently because of the natural acoustics of the church I volunteer at doesn't need it, but now with everything going on, it would help that the vocals (and maybe the acoustic guitar) in the music portion would get some reverb on the livestream hence where the outboard comes in. It'd be nice to get a PCM but this is my own money so I'm kinda down to two units:
 
  • TC Electronic M-ONE XL
  • Lexicon MX300 / MX400


What's your pick?
 
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2020, 12:32:48 pm »

Go with the M-ONE XL or even the M-One version.
If for nothing else they are easier to set up and program than the mentioned Lexicon units.

Personally any nit picking over the effect "sound" is not worth it at least at this level of effect units.

I used the M-ONE's with my GL2400's all the time.

Shameless sales pitch here, guess what I have a few extra of just laying around?

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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2020, 04:32:30 pm »

Go with the M-ONE XL or even the M-One version.
If for nothing else they are easier to set up and program than the mentioned Lexicon units.

Personally any nit picking over the effect "sound" is not worth it at least at this level of effect units.

I used the M-ONE's with my GL2400's all the time.

Shameless sales pitch here, guess what I have a few extra of just laying around?

^^this

extra credit since i don't have a horse in this fight.  :)  But yeah, this isn't one to overthink too much.  The M-ONEs are great.
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2020, 09:25:46 am »

Have you considered room mics and blending in some of the natural sound of the church?
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2020, 06:47:45 pm »

Have you considered room mics and blending in some of the natural sound of the church?

I have thought of that but would need to experiment with placement and running more long XLR cables. Main PA is turned off though.

OTOH, made an offer for an M2000, will see if seller accepts...
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2020, 08:02:52 pm »

I have thought of that but would need to experiment with placement and running more long XLR cables. Main PA is turned off though.

OTOH, made an offer for an M2000, will see if seller accepts...

PA off and producing a live stream mix mixed on headphones and or a couple small monitors is the new norm for churches right now.

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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2020, 09:01:13 pm »

Have you considered room mics and blending in some of the natural sound of the church?

Personally I would take some tasteful reverb over room mics.

From my perspective the point of room mics is to hear the audience, rather than the PA; which is difficult with an empty room.
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 03:37:17 pm »

I have thought of that but would need to experiment with placement and running more long XLR cables. Main PA is turned off though.

OTOH, made an offer for an M2000, will see if seller accepts...

Do you have live instruments on stage?

If so you could just put a couple condensors pointing back at the muso's and use that more as a "room" mic than an "audience" mic. It would add back a sense of space for free if you have a couple mics kicking around. No need to have the PA on.

If you have digital drums and direct guitars etc, I would go for the outboard reverb. You can get them cheap enough nowadays.
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2020, 08:36:38 pm »

Do you have live instruments on stage?

If so you could just put a couple condensors pointing back at the muso's and use that more as a "room" mic than an "audience" mic. It would add back a sense of space for free if you have a couple mics kicking around. No need to have the PA on.

If you have digital drums and direct guitars etc, I would go for the outboard reverb. You can get them cheap enough nowadays.

Nope, just a Yamaha Clavinova.

My quest has somewhat ended in that I'm borrowing an M2000. Will see if I can buy it for cheap hehe...
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2020, 08:42:19 am »

Personally I would take some tasteful reverb over room mics.

From my perspective the point of room mics is to hear the audience, rather than the PA; which is difficult with an empty room.

You do realize that reverb units are generally samples or digital approximations of the sounds of real spaces, right?  If this church is a former JC Penny, then sure, but if it's an actual old school church then the room sound will likely be better than what any digital unit can provide.  Yes, you have to move the mics around rather than change digital parameters, and I get that may be more trouble than it's worth, but I'd at least give it a try.  You could also change mic choice and placement of your primary sources to more of a studio setup, using an LDC for lead vocals and having the singer stand a little further away from the mic, which will allow more natural room sound to get in.
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2020, 06:07:42 pm »

You do realize that reverb units are generally samples or digital approximations of the sounds of real spaces, right?  If this church is a former JC Penny, then sure, but if it's an actual old school church then the room sound will likely be better than what any digital unit can provide.  Yes, you have to move the mics around rather than change digital parameters, and I get that may be more trouble than it's worth, but I'd at least give it a try.  You could also change mic choice and placement of your primary sources to more of a studio setup, using an LDC for lead vocals and having the singer stand a little further away from the mic, which will allow more natural room sound to get in.

He's got no live instruments and not running the PA. What is going to excite the room?

I'm a big fan of using natural room sound too, but in this instance it makes sense to use a digital box.
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Re: Outboard reverb unit for church livestream
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2020, 12:03:42 am »

You do realize that reverb units are generally samples or digital approximations of the sounds of real spaces, right?  If this church is a former JC Penny, then sure, but if it's an actual old school church then the room sound will likely be better than what any digital unit can provide.  Yes, you have to move the mics around rather than change digital parameters, and I get that may be more trouble than it's worth, but I'd at least give it a try. 

Yes, I realize this. My reasons are thus:

1. Most of my favorite room/crowd mics cost $350-2000 each, which seems to beyond the budget.
2. I often process said room mics with multiband compression and do some sidechaining, processing which is not available here.
3. Not all churches have great acoustics (which you noted).
4. Depending on loudspeaker quality and deployment, the excitation source is not inherently pleasant. This may add, or it may not. As you noted this also dependant upon the position.


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