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Lev Raber

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Re: FBT VN2000 or RCF HD10a + 702ASII?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2020, 04:33:03 pm »

Hey Richard,
I feel your pain and wish people still pay for your (and mine) services without lifting speakers.
At some point in my life I also started to scale down the jobs. But for what you described (4-5 vocals, keys, bass, guitar and a small amount of miked drums) it is impossible to properly reinforce your band with VN2000 system, if you run everything through it (without any backline at least).
It's always a limit to how much you can afford to "scale down" your sound system.
At some point your client won't see it, then won't hear it and, as a result, won't pay for it.
Just a thought.
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Re: FBT VN2000 or RCF HD10a + 702ASII?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2020, 03:32:38 am »

Hey Richard,
I feel your pain and wish people still pay for your (and mine) services without lifting speakers.
At some point in my life I also started to scale down the jobs. But for what you described (4-5 vocals, keys, bass, guitar and a small amount of miked drums) it is impossible to properly reinforce your band with VN2000 system, if you run everything through it (without any backline at least).
It's always a limit to how much you can afford to "scale down" your sound system.
At some point your client won't see it, then won't hear it and, as a result, won't pay for it.
Just a thought.

Hi Lev. Thanks for the reply. Have you heard the Yamaha DXR15ís next to the VN2000 system? I guess Iím very surprised to hear a single pair of Yamaha DXR15ís will outperform the FBT VN2000?
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Re: FBT VN2000 or RCF HD10a + 702ASII?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2020, 01:09:54 pm »

Hi Lev. Thanks for the reply. Have you heard the Yamaha DXR15ís next to the VN2000 system? I guess Iím very surprised to hear a single pair of Yamaha DXR15ís will outperform the FBT VN2000?

No, I never had a chance to hear DXR15 and VN2000 side by side. But even if I did, it wouldn't be a fair comparison, because of completely different design of speakers.   

If you simply want to save your back, here is an idea for you:
DXR15 - 48lb
VN2000 - 78lb total (27lb top plus 51lb sub)

DXR15 on stick will outperform Ventus 206a, because it has better SPL and coverage (forget about small reflex 112SA sub, it will be little help in crowded room with people standing close to your system).
I'm not a fan of 15" tops in general, but that's what you have, right?

Now, tell me what can you live with in regard of weight of the tops? Because it feels like we go in circles.
 
I always prefer system design with small, reasonably powerful top and sub against single top. Ventus 206a by itself is too weak to compete with DXR15, especially in full range. It's much better with sub, but by my account still not sufficient for what you try to achieve. 

I myself use RCF N24a tops over different subs (depends on the music material) in rooms with 100 to up to 250 people.
I used in the past dual FBT CLA 206a tops per side with subs for wide coverage and it was sufficient for wedding band in rooms with up to 400 people.
When I invested in my tops the weight against power and quality was a big consideration. Technology is changing all the time and good sounding and relatively light speakers are more and more available.

Here is a good and a bad news: when you decide to quit your business you won't have to lift your speakers anymore, you'll have more time attending to your garden, but still have to lift 2-gallon watering can!
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Re: FBT VN2000 or RCF HD10a + 702ASII?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2020, 02:36:46 am »

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Whilst the Yamaha DXR15 specs say max spl 133db vs the FBT Ventis 206a 131db on paper, from my experience real world performance can be very different. For example, a while back I got to use a KV2 EX system running a pair of EX6 single 6Ē tops and a single EX1.2 12Ē sub and this system way outperformed the DXR15ís in every respect! The specs for the KV2 EX6 tops say maximum peak SPL 120db. Also, the EX1.2 sub says a maximum SPL of 127db. However, this system goes much louder than a pair of DXR15ís!
I realise that the KV2 system is more high end but still it shows that you need to take published specs with a pinch of salt and actually judge them by hearing the systems.

Iíve found FBT and RCFís specs tend to be a little more modest compared to many other manufacturers at this level. Iíve had both FBT, RCF and speakers from other manufacturers (EV, JBL, Yamaha) and whilst on paper the specs look lower than the other companies, they were louder and went deeper in real world performance.

Regarding the weight of the FBT VN2000, the subs are the heaviest part but still only weigh the same as the DXR15ís. If I went with these, I would add castors to these so I really wouldnít have to carry them at all. This means I would only be carrying the Ventis 206a tops which are almost half the weight of the DXR15ís which will make a big difference to me.

Saying all that, I havenít been able to compare the FBT VN2000 to the DXR15ís myself due to many reasons (including covid19) so I have no idea how they will perform. I have heard a single FBT VN2000 briefly and was very impressed with the sound, output and depth of bass. It totally exceeded my expectations for a system of this size/price!
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