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Author Topic: What freq do use for vocal locut?  (Read 2430 times)

Mike Caldwell

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2020, 09:55:00 am »

If your program content is a person or two doing a speaking presentation you may find yourself sliding the HP some as well as some "dynamic eq" tweaks as the mic technique varies through the presentation.

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2020, 10:00:39 am »

This is good advice and one of those things that doesn't seem right on paper but holds up in live mixing. Certainly in some gym , barn, high reverb time venues.  (Depending on what is desired) It is easy to try and use if needed.
How's the Danley rig going? Any outdoor shows this summer?

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My take on this is that for years, we, as an industry, struggled to get enough bass (LF response) out of our systems, especially in terms of LF extension. Well, that problem has long since been solved, and now it's quite common to have too much LF response and extension. This means that many systems have the the LF response to do, say EDM gigs. The problem then becomes that if you're not mixing that type of music, you can end up with bowel moving kick drum and bass guitar that is not suited to the style of music being mixed, by default. So, yes, please high pass the bass and kick (and whatever else needs LF management...keyboards etc.) to suit the type of music you are mixing.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2020, 11:44:32 am »

On analog boards you had fixed HPF's. 80, 100 etc.

And, often, the Low EQ pot fixed at nearly the same frequency - which always confounded me.

Lots of good advice here.  I haven't seen anyone mention lavalier mics yet, though, which I tend to HP at slightly higher frequencies than handhelds.

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2020, 01:05:14 pm »

This is good advice and one of those things that doesn't seem right on paper but holds up in live mixing. Certainly in some gym , barn, high reverb time venues.  (Depending on what is desired) It is easy to try and use if needed.
How's the Danley rig going? Any outdoor shows this summer?

Douglas R. Allen

First one coming up this weekend for St Paddys day - first time with both subs and I am excited. I promise I'll take pictures this time!
Apparently the downtown parade has been cancelled due to 'the virus' so our organizer is even more determined to have a successful event.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2020, 01:17:34 pm »


I haven't seen anyone mention lavalier mics yet, though, which I tend to HP at slightly higher frequencies than handhelds.

Dave

Yes. High enough to get rid of splosives and pops. Also a little higher for headset mics.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2020, 01:31:01 pm »

I hate HPF'ing lav or headworn too high. With the lack of low end it sounds almost like they are screaming or shouting, when they are just speaking. It's more "piercing" and not very pleasant. When possible I run lavs or headsets through tops only. If it's for a commentator just for plain public announcements, I can run it higher as the intelligibility over distance is more important. But for a plain speech in controlled environment, not so much.

Everyone knows that lower frequencies travels further. But in a speaking situation.. more lows sound like they are closer to you, because they don't have to raise their voice in a natural speaking-situation. When someone is shouting to you from a distance, they are using the upper range in their voice, you don't hear as much lows.

In a setting like a corp event or something and the speaker is wearing a lav or headworn, I always try to make it sound like that person is close to me when speaking, not 20m away even though the speakers are 20m away from my position. I do that with lows.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2020, 03:54:30 pm »

I have found good success with Hi-passing lavs in much the same way I mentioned before. As high up as I can till it sound thin and then back down till it just sounds natural. Err to the thin side to reduce plosives. I then run a compressor pre eq to finish dealing with plosives. You want a fairly high ratio around 4:1 or so and then you need it to be set for as fast of an attack as it will allow. The release also needs to be fast. Set the threshold so that it is almost always compressing a couple of db, but when a plosive goes in, it compresses 10db or more. You need it to release quickly so that the next word isn't compressed. If done right it will almost act as an auto leveler and really clamp down on the plosives. Because the compressor is set pre EQ, the low-end media during a plosive will dominate the level and trigger the compressor. The fast attack and release just clamp down on the offending level quickly and then return to normal just as quickly. The vocal will almost always have some small amount of compression, perhaps a couple to few db or so, but a well-controlled plosive will have 10db or more of compression. When done well, a plosive will be hard to tell was even there with minimal effect on the rest of the signal.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2020, 05:33:01 pm »

First one coming up this weekend for St Paddys day - first time with both subs and I am excited. I promise I'll take pictures this time!
Apparently the downtown parade has been cancelled due to 'the virus' so our organizer is even more determined to have a successful event.

Have a good show and stay safe and healthy! Looking forward to a picture or two!
Douglas R. Allen
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2020, 09:01:50 pm »

I've seen cut offs from 80 to 240 hz for lo cut filters on vocal mics.  I tend to use 100 to 120 hz for male and 120 -150 hz for female.  I was wondering what others like to use.

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2020, 03:00:32 am »

Have a good show and stay safe and healthy! Looking forward to a picture or two!
Douglas R. Allen


I am heading out to meet the Dunkley's and check out the Danley's will let y'all know.  This is my first time hearing a Danley in the wild.



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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
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