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Caleb Dueck

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2020, 03:26:51 pm »

I shoot for a natural-sounding vocal and err to the thin side. In speech, it is not as pleasant, but when in a band context it is more desirable.

Great point that many novice mixers tend to forget- the overly scooped, cookie-monster thick vocal sound rarely fits the mix well.  And especially poor for speech (IE corporate or HoW) application.

Recording class in college, prof played a full rock band mix, and asked us how the vocals sounded.  "Great!" 
Soloed just the vocals and asked us again - "Wow, they're a bit too thin." 
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2020, 03:31:01 pm »

Solo a metal-kick too, it wouldn't sound very good either, but in the mix it fills in what it's supposed to fill in and sounds good, in the mix :)
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2020, 03:40:26 pm »

I agree with Caleb, Brian and Luke..... when I first saw this post I wasn't sure how to answer because I don't necessarily think about the numbers as much as listen for what I believe is the most suitable freq to roll off.
When I run sound for bands other than ours, I will set each vox channel to 100hz as a starting point but then adjust accordingly when band starts playing/singing.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2020, 03:53:19 pm »

Subs on aux?

Another good point often overlooked - if there is zero vocal routed to the subwoofers, the HPF isn't quite as critical, may not need to be as aggressive, and likely has less need of an additional low shelf cut.

The worst are stereo (non-aux-fed) systems with a huge sub haystack.  "Low mids are completely gone, but 55Hz is still flat!"
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2020, 04:00:38 pm »

Another good point often overlooked - if there is zero vocal routed to the subwoofers, the HPF isn't quite as critical, may not need to be as aggressive, and likely has less need of an additional low shelf cut.

The worst are stereo (non-aux-fed) systems with a huge sub haystack.  "Low mids are completely gone, but 55Hz is still flat!"

I've been thinking of going aux fed subs for this reason. Might try it next time I get a chance to mix.

I remember an old method of using 2 channels for your lead singer/MC. One is eq'd for singing while the other is eq'd for a nice fat FM DJ sound and flipping between singing and talking.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2020, 03:58:54 pm »

But less than a scosh?
Is that an Imperial, or Metric, scosh?
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2020, 06:54:11 pm »

High pass filters are good for what ails ya'.  I use them on all inputs including bass and kick drum. It simply tightens everything up. Just need to know what the fundamental of various instruments are.

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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2020, 12:17:05 am »

Is that an Imperial, or Metric, scosh?

All these measurements are in 'Murica
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2020, 08:32:22 am »

High pass filters are good for what ails ya'.  I use them on all inputs including bass and kick drum. It simply tightens everything up. Just need to know what the fundamental of various instruments are.

It is amazing just how good I can get bass and kick to sound by sweeping the HP on those channels and bringing up the HP a little higher than one might usually - on the bass channel sometimes as high as 65hz or so. It can really allow the instruments to cut through the mix.
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Re: What freq do use for vocal locut?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2020, 09:06:49 am »

It is amazing just how good I can get bass and kick to sound by sweeping the HP on those channels and bringing up the HP a little higher than one might usually - on the bass channel sometimes as high as 65hz or so. It can really allow the instruments to cut through the mix.

This is good advice and one of those things that doesn't seem right on paper but holds up in live mixing. Certainly in some gym , barn, high reverb time venues.  (Depending on what is desired) It is easy to try and use if needed.
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