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Early delays at a large concert (only 600,000 people)

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Dan Mortensen:

--- Quote from: Ivan Beaver on November 13, 2020, 08:21:59 AM ---They had delay towers at Woodstock (the original), but didn't use them, according to Bill Hanely.  The promoter could not afford the rental of the tap machines he was going to use as delay units.

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The first sentence isn't quite correct, but the second one is.

Hanley had planned and advocated for delays on towers, but when the client wouldn't pay for the delays (according to Bill, $8000 each at the time), he eliminated them and they were never set up in any way.

I'm ASSuming that this is why the upper speakers were so high in the air (he's said 80', but looking closely at pictures last weekend we came up with more like 60' or 70' -- it's a little hard to count the scaffold levels) to cover the rear of the crowd. The other reason they were so high is the site sloped up, with flat parts in the middle on each side of center, and he said he wanted to cover the people at the rear of those flat middle parts.

I specifically asked him about this today on the phone, and didn't quite follow what he said was going to be used as delay devices.

Reading this whole thread again, Keith said Bill said they would have been tape-based, and that was what he seemed to be telling me today.

Ivan Beaver:

--- Quote from: Dan Mortensen on November 17, 2020, 07:58:42 PM ---The first sentence isn't quite correct, but the second one is.

Hanley had planned and advocated for delays on towers, but when the client wouldn't pay for the delays (according to Bill, $8000 each at the time), he eliminated them and they were never set up in any way.

I'm ASSuming that this is why the upper speakers were so high in the air (he's said 80', but looking closely at pictures last weekend we came up with more like 60' or 70' -- it's a little hard to count the scaffold levels) to cover the rear of the crowd. The other reason they were so high is the site sloped up, with flat parts in the middle on each side of center, and he said he wanted to cover the people at the rear of those flat middle parts.

I specifically asked him about this today on the phone, and didn't quite follow what he said was going to be used as delay devices.

Reading this whole thread again, Keith said Bill said they would have been tape-based, and that was what he seemed to be telling me today.

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I am just going off of what he told a crowd of audio guys at a little "gathering" years ago.  I saw a photo that "looked" like delay towers ( dark things in the crowd that were spaced as if they could be delays).

I know it has been a few years. 

Dan Mortensen:

--- Quote from: Ivan Beaver on November 18, 2020, 08:11:19 AM ---I am just going off of what he told a crowd of audio guys at a little "gathering" years ago.  I saw a photo that "looked" like delay towers ( dark things in the crowd that were spaced as if they could be delays).

I know it has been a few years.

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Thanks for the response!

If you can find that photo, I'd like to see it. No photo that I've been able to find has anything other than follow-spot towers and those peaked food vendor structures visible out in the crowd.

It has definitely been a few years, which is why I'm so glad to have met and connected with Bill, so we can get PA things documented with explanations straight from the source.

Tim McCulloch:

--- Quote from: Dan Mortensen on November 18, 2020, 03:20:58 PM ---Thanks for the response!

If you can find that photo, I'd like to see it. No photo that I've been able to find has anything other than follow-spot towers and those peaked food vendor structures visible out in the crowd.

It has definitely been a few years, which is why I'm so glad to have met and connected with Bill, so we can get PA things documented with explanations straight from the source.

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Shameless promotion:  Dan has been doing "Tea Time Topics" via Zoom on Saturdays (4p-ish, Pacific Time).  As part of the 2020 AES convention, he met up with Bill Hanley and invited Bill to TTT.  He's been coming for 3 weeks so far!  I encourage our LABsters to contact Dan about being part of these.  For a taste of what these are like, see the DansoundSeattle YouTube channel...

And while you're there I suggest you take a look at the Pacific North West AES Chapter presentation by Sylvia Massey on her microphone collection.  The video is Dan's edit of a VERY long session (see the separate audience video).  Ms Massey is a great presenter and she set up several demos.  Well worth the hours of your life... and there aren't many things I can say that about.

Dan Mortensen:

--- Quote from: Tim McCulloch on November 19, 2020, 10:50:04 AM ---Shameless promotion:

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Thanks for that unsolicited endorsement, Tim! I have a great time at those Saturday things, and other people including Bill and you appear to feel the same. The general lack of interest on PSW is curious but not debilitating to me, especially since we've s often covered so much interesting concert sound history.

One minor correction: The version of Sylvia's talk that was shown at the Convention is my edit of the very long meeting version. The one with Sylvia and everyone else that is on my website is Gary Louie's edit, which basically cut the meeting in half. The second half is on there, too.

The one shown at the AES Convention (slightly over an hour) is not on my website yet. It's not clear about the ownership of the videos shown at the Convention, although I have an opinion about that issue.

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