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Steve Garris

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Quality Wireless Guitar
« on: February 03, 2020, 05:42:47 pm »

I need to recommend a quality wireless system for a guitar player. He is currently using a 2.4G wireless setup, but it has dropouts. He is ready to purchase something of very good quality. My search came up withe an older post discussing the Line 6 X2, but this was a 12 year old thread.

So what does everyone recommend? Please note I am not wireless knowledgeable so please take it easy on the acronyms.

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2020, 06:51:55 pm »

Sennheiser G3 or G4 systems, the body packs also have an option for different input loading for passive pickups.

2.4ghz and wireless mics do not work well together right when you need it to work!

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2020, 07:16:54 pm »

I use the Shure GLXD.  Works very well AS LONG AS I keep my distance from any 2.4g routers.
Line 6 have had more interference issues for me.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2020, 11:12:20 pm »

I need to recommend a quality wireless system for a guitar player. He is currently using a 2.4G wireless setup, but it has dropouts. He is ready to purchase something of very good quality. My search came up withe an older post discussing the Line 6 X2, but this was a 12 year old thread.

So what does everyone recommend? Please note I am not wireless knowledgeable so please take it easy on the acronyms.

Check out Lectrosonics and Shure QLXD. 
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 12:55:29 am »

I use the Shure GLXD.  Works very well AS LONG AS I keep my distance from any 2.4g routers.
Line 6 have had more interference issues for me.

I've had excellent luck with the Shure GLXD systems as well. I've even used multiple GLXD guitar and a few GLXD mics at the same time in all sorts of venues and it has always been rock solid. They are also very well built, medal body packs, rechargeable batteries, tons of batter life, sounds just like the cable, etc.

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 11:27:46 am »

There are many new and used system options, how much money your guitar player's willing to spend?
Mine is using GLXD set up for about 4 years now with no issues, but I had different musicians on different systems in the past, mostly Shure (ULXP, UR, ULX, QLXD, ULXD). 1 guy with Line 6 had signal drop outs and another with Sennh G3 had a solid performance, but wired noises when his transmitter was off. I also have seen some violin and percussion players on AKG, which definitely could be used for WR guitar as well.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2020, 11:31:32 pm »

FYI the Shure GLXD system that has been recommended by a few folks on this thread works in the 2.4GHz bandwidth space so that might be a no-go for the guitarist friend of the OP. 
Sennheiser is always rock solid.  EW100 G4 wireless should be a great choice. 
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 01:34:51 pm »

FYI the Shure GLXD system that has been recommended by a few folks on this thread works in the 2.4GHz bandwidth space so that might be a no-go for the guitarist friend of the OP. 
Sennheiser is always rock solid.  EW100 G4 wireless should be a great choice.

Correct - the 2.4 is a no go. The Senn EW100 G4 looks promising - thanks.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2020, 03:38:03 pm »

I had different musicians on different systems in the past, mostly Shure (ULXP, UR, ULX, QLXD, ULXD).

Since no one has mentioned it, be aware that Shure's ULX-D and QLX-D can cause interference with some guitars (and some microphones, for that matter).

-Russ
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2020, 03:49:44 pm »

Since no one has mentioned it, be aware that Shure's ULX-D and QLX-D can cause interference with some guitars (and some microphones, for that matter).

-Russ

Tell me more about the possible interference, please. What should I be aware of/watching for?
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2020, 04:03:33 pm »

Tell me more about the possible interference, please. What should I be aware of/watching for?
I think what Russell is referring to is that some digital packs can induce RF hash into instruments with sensitive pickups and electronics. We talked about that here recently, although the thread may have been about headset mics.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2020, 11:31:23 pm »

I think what Russell is referring to is that some digital packs can induce RF hash into instruments with sensitive pickups and electronics. We talked about that here recently, although the thread may have been about headset mics.

That's the one. The modulation scheme used by ULX-D and QLX-D in particular is know to cause problems which can only be solved by using a different wireless system. This interference typically only affects devices plugged directly into the transmitter, but for a wireless guitar rig that's the part you care about.

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2020, 08:32:04 am »

That's the one. The modulation scheme used by ULX-D and QLX-D in particular is know to cause problems which can only be solved by using a different wireless system. This interference typically only affects devices plugged directly into the transmitter, but for a wireless guitar rig that's the part you care about.

-Russ
Actually, the problem can be mitigated by adding a ferrite clamp on the guitar cable, close to the belt pack. For the record, I've seen Sennheiser D6000 do this too. I'll try and find that other thread...I think I put links to ferrite clamps in that one. Found it: https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,172372.10.html Looks like I didn't put links in there...working on it.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2020, 11:14:29 am »

Actually, the problem can be mitigated by adding a ferrite clamp on the guitar cable, close to the belt pack. For the record, I've seen Sennheiser D6000 do this too. I'll try and find that other thread...I think I put links to ferrite clamps in that one. Found it: https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,172372.10.html Looks like I didn't put links in there...working on it.

Do you think a ferrite clamp would solve the problem with noise that I have with Crown CM-311 mics and Shure ULXD packs?
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2020, 11:22:33 am »

Do you think a ferrite clamp would solve the problem with noise that I have with Crown CM-311 mics and Shure ULXD packs?
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2020, 01:17:39 pm »

The pgxd has been Rock Solid for me.
You can probably find one used for three or four hundred dollars.
It operates in the 900 megahertz band andit sounds great.
I've compared to hardwire and it sounds just like the sm86 on the transmitter.
I've never had any problems with dropouts.
  I always have it on stage close to the transmitter.
 AA batteries last a long time average of 6 hours with juice still showing.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2020, 02:17:06 pm »

I am still rockin an old 900mhz X2. I buy them when I see them used for zilch...  The new Line 6 G series .... sucks...
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2020, 10:15:31 pm »

I have had good luck with the Line 6 xd stuff as long as you operate in RF1 rather than RF2.  RF1 can cause issues with other 2.5ghz equipment, including other Line 6 products not operating in RF1.
 
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2020, 10:36:32 pm »

Actually, the problem can be mitigated by adding a ferrite clamp on the guitar cable, close to the belt pack. For the record, I've seen Sennheiser D6000 do this too. I'll try and find that other thread...I think I put links to ferrite clamps in that one. Found it: https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,172372.10.html Looks like I didn't put links in there...working on it.

Huh, either I hadn't read that thread or I had forgotten your solution. I'll update my mental notes. Thanks for the reminder, Ike!

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2020, 10:54:43 pm »

Do you think a ferrite clamp would solve the problem with noise that I have with Crown CM-311 mics and Shure ULXD packs?

Speaking of ferrite clamps and core in general taking care of RFI problems.....
Just a couple weeks ago I took care of some very impressive RFI on a couple of install mic lines at a school just a couple blocks away from a radio station.

At the inputs to the mixer I wrapped about six loops of the mic line around a split ferrite core, snapped it closed and the interference was gone. The mic line in this case was standard 22x2 foil shield.

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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2020, 10:24:44 am »

Actually, the problem can be mitigated by adding a ferrite clamp on the guitar cable, close to the belt pack. For the record, I've seen Sennheiser D6000 do this too.

I worked with Sennheiser a few years ago on this issue with the 9000 series. The ferrite clamp helped but did not eliminate the problem. The 6000 series had not been released yet.

Should this approach work in all situations? I assume "no" as the results I experienced were not consistent between different instruments.
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Re: Quality Wireless Guitar
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2020, 10:36:33 am »

I worked with Sennheiser a few years ago on this issue with the 9000 series. The ferrite clamp helped but did not eliminate the problem. The 6000 series had not been released yet.

Should this approach work in all situations? I assume "no" as the results I experienced were not consistent between different instruments.
It does really depend on the instrument, its pickup type, and internal wiring. In the one D6000 case I ran into, it was an acoustic guitar (sorry, no idea on make/model or other details). The fault was just a ton of HF noise...the ME let me fool around with the LPF on the channel, had to bring it way, way down to below 3 KHz to even start to get rid of it. Two ferrite clamps, one at the pack end, the other at the jack end, both double looped through the clamp, cleared up the issue. I have an article coming out, here (PSW), on this issue in the near future.
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