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Frankie Lessard

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« on: January 30, 2020, 10:53:11 am »

Looking for a new analog/USB mixer for live gigs from solo acoustic up to a 4 piece band. Leaning toward Allen and Heath or Presonus. Any insight about these two company's would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2020, 12:39:46 pm »

There has been a lot written on both brands. Do a search, particularly in the Lounge for more in depth. Both brands make good products in general for your level of work. It is all about the features you are looking for and how you will use it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2020, 07:31:13 pm »

What do you mean by analog/USB?

If it's an analog mixer format that has a USB input output interface
the Allen Heath ZED are good.

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2020, 08:35:42 pm »

Take a look at the Soundcraft Signature Series.  The standard models offer 2 in / 2 out thru USB, while the 'MTK' models serve as a multi-channel interface thru USB.  Their audio and build quailty seem better than many at this level, though I can't speak directly to the A+H or Presonus options.
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Re: Mixers
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2020, 11:14:29 pm »

Looking for a new analog/USB mixer for live gigs from solo acoustic up to a 4 piece band. Leaning toward Allen and Heath or Presonus. Any insight about these two company's would be appreciated.

I had a studiolive ar12 for a little while. It was a decent little mixer. But, I would suggest a presonus 16.0.2 for just a little more if you need physical controls. I have had great results with my studiolive series iii gear for a little more cash. I think that digitals are much more flexible, especially for a band. Even better may be a small rack unit and a tablet, behringer xr18, studiolive 16r, soundcraft ui series. All three are good options.
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Re: Mixers
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2020, 07:50:49 am »

Both the A&H and Presonus sound good and offer similar features, but what sets them apart is the build quality on the A&H is rock solid.  If possible, go somewhere where you can pick up and put hands on each of them and compare them.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2020, 10:07:03 am »

I'll go against the grain and recommend two separate mixers. For solo gigs, I'd recommend ZED10FX. For a 4 piece, I'd look into digital offerings since you might run up to 16 channels, maybe an X32 or XR18.
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2020, 10:23:38 am »

I'll go against the grain and recommend two separate mixers. For solo gigs, I'd recommend ZED10FX. For a 4 piece, I'd look into digital offerings since you might run up to 16 channels, maybe an X32 or XR18.

Along those lines I would also add the Allen Heath QU Pac and the Soundcraft UI24 to the list.

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2020, 11:55:48 am »

Behringer also have the UFX1604? that got good reviews in SOS, USB/Firewire interface plus built in USB multitrack recording.
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/behringer-ufx1604
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2020, 12:05:37 pm »

A&H, Presonus, Soundcraft, Behringer, Yamaha, all offer decent quality products.  In this level of work, there is essentially not going to be an obvious significant overall winner.  It comes down to which workflow you like the best.

Knowing what your actual needs are will help determine what makes the most sense.  The needs for a small solo acoustic act are certainly less than a 4 piece band.  Dragging a large full sized console for an acoustic act would be overkill at the very least.

However, some of the small format digital consoles which are tablet controlled can fit the bill for the full band and still are small enough to lug in for your solo acts.  The nice thing about going digital is that you now have oodles of options to make it sound like you want it to, vs if you just have a simple little mixer limited to unflexible EQ options.

With the digital consoles, you can set up scenes so that depending on which type of show you're doing, it can be pre-configured for your starting point.  Easy peasy.
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Re: Mixers
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2020, 12:48:24 pm »

Looking for a new analog/USB mixer for live gigs from solo acoustic up to a 4 piece band. Leaning toward Allen and Heath or Presonus. Any insight about these two company's would be appreciated.

Soundcraft Signature 10, if not digital. I picked one up refurbished at $200 (like new) from PSSL. I'm amazed at how good it sounds.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2020, 01:12:02 pm »

I purchased a PreSonus StudioLive AR16 for use in a small multi-use space.
The build quality is not great. All the knobs are supported only by the circuit board, not by the top panel with nuts.
There is no PFL meter. There is an output meter. It does not show PFL level so there's no way to set gains accurately.
The extra feature of the AR16 is to record stereo output to an SD card or USB. The pick point for the Main L/R is post main fader. It should be pre-main-fader with an independent level control or at least be switchable.

I doubt I'll buy a Presonus analog mixer again.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2020, 12:09:13 pm »

What do you mean by analog/USB?

If it's an analog mixer format that has a USB input output interface
the Allen Heath ZED are good.

Thanks! I actually went the Zedi 10fx. I wanna record my gigs which I was looking for a USB mixer. Now I need to figure what simple DAW software to get for recording a 4 hour gig.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2020, 12:23:10 pm »

Presonus Studio One is what I use.  Been using it since I got a 1642 years ago. I like it a lot.   N-Track Studio and Reaper are free'ware options
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2020, 03:19:55 pm »

If you want just straight up recording, have a look at waves tracks.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2020, 05:01:54 pm »

Presonus Studio One is what I use.  Been using it since I got a 1642 years ago. I like it a lot.   N-Track Studio and Reaper are free'ware options

Reaper is not free.  Cockos has eliminated their "endless fully functioning demo" largely BECAUSE everyone took that to mean "free".  It never was, and now the demo ends at 60 days. 

It costs 60 dollars for most people on this forum.  And it's worth ten times that.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2020, 01:49:27 pm »

Thanks! I actually went the Zedi 10fx. I wanna record my gigs which I was looking for a USB mixer. Now I need to figure what simple DAW software to get for recording a 4 hour gig.

I use Audacity for basic 2 track recording. Simply stripped down with a minimum of features, but easy to learn and it's FREE.
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Re: Mixers
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2020, 04:20:40 pm »

Looking for a new analog/USB mixer for live gigs from solo acoustic up to a 4 piece band. Leaning toward Allen and Heath or Presonus. Any insight about these two company's would be appreciated.

I own an A&H ZED24, and like it a lot. The USB interface is just a basic bidirectional 2-channel that can record from either the main out or a pair of auxes.

I have never used a Presonus analog, but I have used various incarnations of their digital mixers, and they don't thrill me. That said the AR series mixers seem to have a good feature set for what they sell for.

I would also look at the Signature series from Soundcraft.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2020, 08:27:24 pm »

Looking for a new analog/USB mixer for live gigs from solo acoustic up to a 4 piece band. Leaning toward Allen and Heath or Presonus. Any insight about these two company's would be appreciated.

If all you were doing was a solo acoustic, I would say the ZED 10 Fx is a very good choice (Although the Soundcraft offerings are also very good).

A 4 piece band is quite a different story.

Although I did use my ZED 10 Fx for a 3 piece band once (2 singers vocal mics, 1 guitar cab mic, one kick mic for the 4 XLR's, Bass was direct), that was a very minimalist gig.

For my full 4 piece band I use an X32 Rack and would generally encourage anyone to have a minimum of 16 channels and a bit more for this purpose:

3 to 4 vocal mics
2 guitar cab mics
2 inputs for a keyboard
1 input for bass (either direct or mic)
2 inputs for stereo break music

Now, without drums you are looking at between 8 to 11 inputs.

Drums:
1 snare
1 high hat
3 to 5 toms
1 kick
1 to 2 overheads

So drums will take up 7 to 10 channels

Soooo.  Overall, a 4 piece band takes between 15 to 22 inputs depending on the content of your band.  Fortunately, the X32 Rack has 24 total inputs (16 XLR + 6 quarter inch inputs and an integrated stereo input) which has handled anything I have ever had to handle with my own band.

My bass player uses an XR18 which is quite serviceable for such a low cost mixer ($581 on Amazon right now).  It can also do multi-track recording which is a must if you want to actually make a decent mix on an after the fact gig recording.
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2020, 11:46:41 pm »

What do you mean by analog/USB?

If it's an analog mixer format that has a USB input output interface
the Allen Heath ZED are good.

The Zedi 10 FX is the one I went with. Thanks for the input!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2020, 04:47:26 am »

Reaper is not free.  Cockos has eliminated their "endless fully functioning demo" largely BECAUSE everyone took that to mean "free".  It never was, and now the demo ends at 60 days. 

It costs 60 dollars for most people on this forum.  And it's worth ten times that.

^^^^^ 2nd that. Reaper is hands down my favorite DAW - I use it daily in my studio and have used it for live capture on many occasions. It is extremely flexible, can be highly customized, does everything the others do and more, and only costs $60. I seriously wonder why it hasn't taken over the market.

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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2020, 12:57:38 pm »

^^^^^ 2nd that. Reaper is hands down my favorite DAW - I use it daily in my studio and have used it for live capture on many occasions. It is extremely flexible, can be highly customized, does everything the others do and more, and only costs $60. I seriously wonder why it hasn't taken over the market.

I'll definitely look into it. The other one I was thinking about was looking at was "Tracks Live" by Waves.
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2020, 02:23:46 pm »

With a 4 piece band, I'd look at a digital mixer - you have far more control with parametric EQ and dynamics on each channel as well as on the mains and monitor outs. I went from early on using a Mackie 1202, then a 1402, then a 1642, and then had a Yamaha 01v - the digital EQ on each channel was a game changer, but the mixer is pretty massive. Bought a B-stock DL1608 and have been very happy. Mackie just released new software that can be used on iOS, Android, and even Mac/PC. Worth taking a look at used.
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