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Bryan Neil

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Re: Need advice about putting mics on their own channel?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2020, 02:39:00 PM »

You are not being ridiculed. You are being helped. We can't help it if you don't like the answer.

We deal with wireless mics every day of the week and twice on sunday. Wireless is NO PLACE to save money. It is poor stewardship hands down. You had the budget for one decent wireless (Shure PGX maybe) and 4-5 Shure SM58's plus cables. The 58's will last the lifetime of the Church. The PGX wireless would last probably 10 years or more UNLESS the FCC makes it illegal. Which has happened twice in very recent history.

Don't get your feelers hurt because you made a mistake. It happens. Learn from it. People here replace Ebay crap mics every single day with something good which doesn't cost that much more. They are being replaced because after a few months, well "this mic got dropped and rattles" and this one can't go more than 10 feet from the reciever", and this whole 4 pack of mics quit working and I don't have the money to replace it! help!!!".



Now, back to your original question, you still haven't given us the info we need to actually help you.
Questions:
1. What mixer are you using for the room?
2. How are you feeding audio to the video recorder?
3. You stated you are getting sound from the camera mounted to the ceiling. Can you explain this better? Are you using the onboard mic to feed the video recorder?

Behringer EURODESK SX2442FX

We are getting Audio from the mic on the recorder. It sounds good, no problem with quality, just I noticed on a video where the singers were being drowned out by the music. Trying to get information on how to get those mics own there own channels into the PC. Even if I have to record separate and add match it later that is fine.

I get a little testy at times, sorry for that. That is just the way it seemed.
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Re: Need advice about putting mics on their own channel?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2020, 05:58:41 PM »

As mentioned using a separate aux bus to create a video mix will be a start to,using a good isolating set of headphones select AFL on the aux feeding the video to set up a balanced mix for the video feed. You may need to go back and listen to it and make changes as needed.

Now to connect that audio feed to the video system, we'll need to know more about hardware your using for the video to help there.
 

If the mic on the camera is picking up more instrument level than vocal level I'm guessing that's more or less what it sounds like in the room.
Do you have a full drum kit and guitar amps blazing away?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2020, 07:12:31 PM by Mike Caldwell »
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Re: Need advice about putting mics on their own channel?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2020, 08:42:07 PM »

Behringer EURODESK SX2442FX

We are getting Audio from the mic on the recorder. It sounds good, no problem with quality, just I noticed on a video where the singers were being drowned out by the music. Trying to get information on how to get those mics own there own channels into the PC. Even if I have to record separate and add match it later that is fine.

I get a little testy at times, sorry for that. That is just the way it seemed.


If you have a standalone recorder what does the PC have to do with it?  You say you have a standalone recorder and you want to vary the levels of individual instruments?  You can't do that, it only has one mic.


Are you micing your instruments into your board? 


Mike's comment was spot on too, the recorder is picking up the deficient mix, while you might be "used" to it in the room that's what it sounds like at that exact spot.



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Re: Need advice about putting mics on their own channel?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2020, 02:52:36 PM »

We are getting Audio from the mic on the recorder. It sounds good, no problem with quality, just I noticed on a video where the singers were being drowned out by the music.

These two statements are at odds with each other.

If you notice that singers are being drowned out by the music, then it does NOT sound good and there IS a problem with quality.

This problem is not caused by the el cheapo wireless microphones you have. It will not be fixed with better microphones. It will not be fixed with wired microphones. It will not be fixed with a different board, or a different camera, or a different loudspeakers. It might be fixed with education.

The problem is that the audio is being recorded from a single microphone at the camera location or the recording PC, so you are getting indirect, AMBIENT sound, not direct sound from the performers. Further, if you're using the camera's onboard mic, it is likely using audio compression (they call it "automatic gain control") which makes it even worse.

To solve this problem, you need to feed the video recording directly from your board. An AUX mix bus is great for this. you can feed your recording a different mix than your house, which will let you get a better mix in your recording. The house mix is usually inappropriate for recording or live streaming.

Once you've got that done, and have an acceptable mix in your recording, then we can talk about any quality issues with your selection of microphones or your board.
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Re: Need advice about putting mics on their own channel?
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