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Chris Hindle

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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2020, 09:13:08 am »

I'm getting ready to do some demonstrations for the RV industry with solar panels, Lithium-Iron storage batteries and a 3,000 watt pure-sine inverter, and offered to power a live music stage from this setup at a big RV show as a promotion for the products. One of the promoters got really excited because I would be running the stage from "clean" solar power, and not that "dirty" petrochemical power. Go figure...

I'll bet mining, processing, and disposing of lithium is real "environmentally friendly" too...... ::)
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2020, 10:20:15 am »

I'll bet mining, processing, and disposing of lithium is real "environmentally friendly" too...... ::)
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Yeah, and the manufacturing of photo-voltaic panels is a "clean" industry in China, I'm sure....  :o
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2020, 10:45:49 am »

Yeah, and the manufacturing of photo-voltaic panels is a "clean" industry in China, I'm sure....  :o
recycling old solar panels will be a big industry in a couple decades... not very clean either.

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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2020, 12:10:49 pm »

I debunked the voodoo speaker wire whohah in my Audio Mythology column back in the 80s. As I recall there was a serious treatment in the AES journal back then quantifying and debunking funny speaker wire.

If you can hear a difference from changing a line cord either it was a faulty line cord, or incompetent product design.

Phools and their money will always be a target for snake oil merchants.

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I remember seeing a demo when Monster cables first came out. (70s?)
It compare a spool of 100' of 24(?) gage car speaker wire to like 10' of 12 gage monster, into a couple of car speakers.
You A/B-ed them with a switch.
Gosh, the crappy car speaker wire sounded really thin!  Monster must be magic!!!!!
Of course it cost 50 times what the same zip cord cost at the hardware store.
But it was effective, it definitely launched Monster.
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2020, 12:33:35 pm »

I remember seeing a demo when Monster cables first came out. (70s?)
It compare a spool of 100' of 24 gage car speaker wire to like 10' of 12 gage monster, into a couple of car speakers.
You A/B-ed them with a switch.
Gosh, the crappy car speaker wire sounded really thin!  Monster must be magic!!!!!
Of course it cost 50 times what the same zip cord cost at the hardware store.
But it was effective, it definitely launched Monster.
I don't think I have ever seen 24ga speaker wire... perhaps inside ear buds or high z cans.

Inside my drum tuner I am using a few inches of 20ga wire connecting two 8 ohm speakers wired in series (16ohm) and driven with roughly 1W....

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I recall an interesting exchange on this very forum with another long time member who claimed the superiority of some exotic speaker wire... After inspecting his specific claims we resolved that the combination of his relatively high impedance speaker wire, and the changing impedance with frequency of his loudspeakers, explained a possibly audible modest frequency response shift.

When comparing expensive funny wire to heavier gauge zip cord, any perceived sonic difference is influenced by expectation bias as the more expensive option being the better sounding. I was able to bring this forum member in for a safe and logical landing but this is exhausting across the mass market where millions of dollars in advertising creates unrealistic expectations.

I used to write an audio mythology column and even those old myths I squashed last century can rise again.... Creating a situation like Sisyphus rolling that rock up the hill, again and again. 

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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2020, 01:43:34 pm »

Audiofileism is what happens when the size of your dork is inversely proportional to the thickness of your wallet.
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2020, 03:05:07 pm »

I don't think I have ever seen 24ga speaker wire... perhaps inside ear buds or high z cans.

Inside my drum tuner I am using a few inches of 20ga wire connecting two 8 ohm speakers wired in series (16ohm) and driven with roughly 1W....

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I recall an interesting exchange on this very forum with another long time member who claimed the superiority of some exotic speaker wire... After inspecting his specific claims we resolved that the combination of his relatively high impedance speaker wire, and the changing impedance with frequency of his loudspeakers, explained a possibly audible modest frequency response shift.

When comparing expensive funny wire to heavier gauge zip cord, any perceived sonic difference is influenced by expectation bias as the more expensive option being the better sounding. I was able to bring this forum member in for a safe and logical landing but this is exhausting across the mass market where millions of dollars in advertising creates unrealistic expectations.

I used to write an audio mythology column and even those old myths I squashed last century can rise again.... Creating a situation like Sisyphus rolling that rock up the hill, again and again. 

JR

It wasn't me but I recall making popcorn and watching your guided debunking on the forum.  I might have stirred the pot a bit... ;)

Copper is copper, and had I known 40 years ago what I know now, I'd have purchased stock in a copper mine.  ;D
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2020, 07:21:40 pm »

It wasn't me but I recall making popcorn and watching your guided debunking on the forum.  I might have stirred the pot a bit... ;)

Copper is copper, and had I known 40 years ago what I know now, I'd have purchased stock in a copper mine.  ;D

Hopefully, a high purity, deoxidized, electro-aligned, magic copper mine. :o

JR, I added a question mark.  It was definitely small gage.
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2020, 05:29:01 am »

Just wait...we will soon get wire made in zero gravity from the ISS !
Those chumps that buy it will help finance space exploration ;D ;D
The Blue Danube will never sound better. ;)
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Re: Crazy Audiophile Ground System
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2020, 12:56:55 pm »

Just wait...we will soon get wire made in zero gravity from the ISS !
Those chumps that buy it will help finance space exploration ;D ;D
The Blue Danube will never sound better. ;)

Niiiiice!  Ba da da da dum, tum tum, tum tum... ;)
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