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Jeff Lelko

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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2019, 09:43:31 pm »

Trying to see if an SM80/th118 rig work for me.

Hi Dave, Iíll throw in my two cents as someone who has heard this system in person at a venue I regularly provide sound for but wasnít sold. 

Hereís the link from the demo thread.

Without rambling on too much, thereís no doubt that the SM80 over TH118 rig is hard to beat both in bang-to-buck and in form factor.  I think youíd be very hard-pressed to find something with more usable output that can fit in a small vehicle for under the roughly $20-25K that youíd pay for an SM80 over 2x TH118/side system.  That said, is it the right system for you?  As always, it depends...  For me, it wasnít.

As mentioned further up, using subwoofers with the SM80 is mandatory for anything needing full-range playback.  Itís not even a ďnice to haveĒ in the sense how you can limp along a standard 2-way 12Ē or 15Ē box if needed...you will get basically no usable output below the advertised frequency response.  For me thatís a dealbreaker.  The majority of my sound work is for the corporate and municipal market, so despite using an SOS rig more often than not I donít want to NEED subwoofers on every job I play just to make the one song the client needs played to sound right.  In these cases Iím better served with the QSC HPR boxes that I already own, or upgrading to an RCF or Fulcrum option to cover my smaller to medium-sized work.  Iíd think a small band playing in a small corner or venue would face the same situation and come to the same conclusion.

On the flip side, the SM80 has its upper limits too.  While an SM80 over TH118 rig would offer some additional output and clarity using less boxes than my current larger rig (2 or 3 U15s over 3 UCS1s per side), it wouldnít open the door for any new business to extend my upper-end capabilities.  Though more expensive, Iíd personally see a much better return on investment with something like an SH46 array or small Jericho rig that would really shine in larger venues. 

In short, if youíre okay with using basically the same setup at any given venue (minus adjustments in subwoofer count) regardless of size and want a premium SOS rig than Iíd say go for it!  Otherwise, the system has its uses but isnít a magic bullet by any means.  While temping, I still donít see the SM80 in my future.  Hope this helps as some input that differs from the usual viewpoint! 
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2019, 02:31:19 am »


On the flip side, the SM80 has its upper limits too.  While an SM80 over TH118 rig would offer some additional output and clarity using less boxes than my current larger rig (2 or 3 U15s over 3 UCS1s per side), it wouldnít open the door for any new business to extend my upper-end capabilities.  Though more expensive, Iíd personally see a much better return on investment with something like an SH46 array or small Jericho rig that would really shine in larger venues. 


But the SH and Jericho are quite a bit heavier, so become a different level of wrangle also.
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« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2019, 02:52:50 am »

But the SH and Jericho are quite a bit heavier, so become a different level of wrangle also.

It's all perspective.  If you're looking at EV/QSC/JBL/Mackie/etc speakers on a stick - SM80/TH118XL are amazing.  If you're looking at KF850, Flash/Flood, line arrays - then SH46's or J7's are a better fit.   
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2019, 08:40:29 am »

What about rock n roll with similar size audience?

Works fine. I'm using a pair of SM80s over 4 TH118s for similar sized crowds and rock bands.
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #84 on: November 28, 2019, 09:59:16 am »

Ok Iíll bite.  What types of events are you guys doing? 

Trying to see if an SM80/th118 rig work for me.  I do a lot of summer beer tents, small-to-medium ďparty in the parkĒ types of things (400-1500 people), and occasional bar gigs.

Currently using SRX725/728 stack, properly powered. 3 or 4 times a year Iíll get a bigger where I build a double stack with 2 subs and 2 tops per side.

I'm in the same boat. I have the same exact setup as you do powered with ITechs. The largest room I do is 1200 people seated with dinner and then dance. I have to setup delay speakers as I don't want to blast the people at the front to get sound to the back of the room. The delays have worked well in this case.
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #85 on: November 28, 2019, 01:22:31 pm »

I'm in the same boat. I have the same exact setup as you do powered with ITechs. The largest room I do is 1200 people seated with dinner and then dance. I have to setup delay speakers as I don't want to blast the people at the front to get sound to the back of the room. The delays have worked well in this case.
Ya, and the delays don't really need to be anything special. Where it's not practical to run cable, I've been using a couple of those small Yorkville rechargeable speakers with an IEM system run off a matrix and it totally gets the job done (at least for my level of show).
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2019, 10:27:09 pm »

Iím of a similar view. The combo of 2 SM80ísover 4TH118xl is really
Good. However it doesnít compare to my new
setup of 4TH118xls and my Community 2 SLS960 with a 2x12 in
between flown as a horizontal array. The flown rig is flat to about 60 and gives
me tons of capability for low mid guitar stuff and thick vocals if needed and keeping the subs right out of it. I canít afford to upgrade so next summer this setup will see lots of use.

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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2019, 11:50:43 pm »

Iím of a similar view. The combo of 2 SM80ísover 4TH118xl is really
Good. However it doesnít compare to my new
setup of 4TH118xls and my Community 2 SLS960 with a 2x12 in
between flown as a horizontal array. The flown rig is flat to about 60 and gives
me tons of capability for low mid guitar stuff and thick vocals if needed and keeping the subs right out of it. I canít afford to upgrade so next summer this setup will see lots of use.

John -

What 2x12 are you using?  That was always the rub with 960s, not enough grunt for rock guitar.

Xover settings?
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2019, 01:30:48 am »

John -

What 2x12 are you using?  That was always the rub with 960s, not enough grunt for rock guitar.

Xover settings?
SBS22ís loaded with Lab12ís. Plenty of grunt from 3 boxes. Run on almost no power. Flip in some MaxxBass in the 22ís and you can almost do full range playback at pretty good levels. Powering with Crest Powerlite 5.0 DSP amps and they are pretty impressive and cost almost nothing.
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Re: My new Danley System
« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2019, 09:08:45 pm »

SBS22ís loaded with Lab12ís. Plenty of grunt from 3 boxes. Run on almost no power. Flip in some MaxxBass in the 22ís and you can almost do full range playback at pretty good levels. Powering with Crest Powerlite 5.0 DSP amps and they are pretty impressive and cost almost nothing.

That sounds like a interesting deployment. Do you have any photos?
You are powering the Danley subs with the Crest amps as well?
Is the MaxxBass the hardware unit or a plug in?
I have the MaxxBCL hardware and it is truly a ďmagic boxĒ.
Since it essentially doubles the perceived output of your subs in two rack spaces, it is a money and space saver. How much money and space would it take to double your TH118XLs?
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