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Paul Miller

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Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« on: October 22, 2019, 07:45:08 AM »

I currently have a Tripplite double conversion UPS. I have access to a Furman PL-PRO DMC.

To help clean up my AC wiring, plus gain some rack lighting and a USB charger, I'd like to utilize the Furman. Wall receptacle --> UPS --> Furman --> equipment. But I get the feeling this isn't a great idea. Can someone help me understand why I shouldn't plug a power conditioner into a UPS?
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2019, 08:32:56 AM »

I currently have a Tripplite double conversion UPS. I have access to a Furman PL-PRO DMC.

To help clean up my AC wiring, plus gain some rack lighting and a USB charger, I'd like to utilize the Furman. Wall receptacle --> UPS --> Furman --> equipment. But I get the feeling this isn't a great idea. Can someone help me understand why I shouldn't plug a power conditioner into a UPS?

No reason not to.

After all, for the most part, the Furman is only a rack mountable power strip. It doesn’t really “condition “ the power (what ever that means).
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2019, 09:45:34 AM »

I currently have a Tripplite double conversion UPS. I have access to a Furman PL-PRO DMC.

To help clean up my AC wiring, plus gain some rack lighting and a USB charger, I'd like to utilize the Furman. Wall receptacle --> UPS --> Furman --> equipment. But I get the feeling this isn't a great idea. Can someone help me understand why I shouldn't plug a power conditioner into a UPS?

*Most* of the Furman rack mount "power conditioners" are waiting for rack mount Power Shampoo... ;)

They are fancy rack mount power strips with MOV surge protection and lights, maybe a volt meter.  Other than the form factor and possible meter, they are not different from the $10 outlet strips you get at Target.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2019, 10:06:20 AM »

Thanks for the quick responses guys. And hey I totally understand the disdain for the modern audio "power conditioner" and how they're marketed. ::) Been preaching the same thing myself. But since I already have it...

Basically just wanting to make sure there are no electrical reasons to avoid this setup. I can't recall the details why, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it advised to not plug a UPS into a power conditioner (the opposite of what I'm considering).
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2019, 10:25:11 AM »

Thanks for the quick responses guys. And hey I totally understand the disdain for the modern audio "power conditioner" and how they're marketed. ::) Been preaching the same thing myself. But since I already have it...

Basically just wanting to make sure there are no electrical reasons to avoid this setup. I can't recall the details why, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it advised to not plug a UPS into a power conditioner (the opposite of what I'm considering).

It it did anything, I might agree, but power conditioners typically do NOTHING to the power except slap a couple of MOVs in the current path.  There is no "conditioning" and hence my joke about "power shampoo" coming first.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2019, 10:34:49 AM »

For the sake of being thorough. Would the same apply to a proper surge suppression unit from SurgeX. I also vaguely remember something about UPS and Surge protection not working well together and want to find out if this is BS or if it's something to keep in mind.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2019, 10:55:10 AM »

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I also vaguely remember something about UPS and Surge protection not working well together and want to find out if this is BS or if it's something to keep in mind.

This is exactly where I'm at. Right now I've just got a simple, sturdy metal 6 outlet power strip with no MOVs plugged into the UPS to give me the extra outlets I need. So, switching from that, to the Furman. I've been reading for the past hour and most of the answers I'm coming across are pretty vague. I like solid explanations that I can confidently relay to others down the line, without further spreading myths or misinformation.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2019, 10:57:34 AM »

For the sake of being thorough. Would the same apply to a proper surge suppression unit from SurgeX. I also vaguely remember something about UPS and Surge protection not working well together and want to find out if this is BS or if it's something to keep in mind.

In high lightning areas I have seen installs which place a surgeX before, and another after a UPS.

You are likely remembering that UPS’s and generators don’t mix, not likely surge protection.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2019, 09:01:28 PM »

In high lightning areas I have seen installs which place a surgeX before, and another after a UPS.

You are likely remembering that UPS’s and generators don’t mix, not likely surge protection.

I haven't seen SurgeX after a UPS, what is the rationale behind that?  Curious.

For our installs we split 'power stuffs' into three categories.  Surge protection most upstream (SurgeX), then UPS for the devices that need it, such as anything networking, DSP's, audio consoles, etc; lastly IP controlled outlets for remote monitoring and control.  Everything is IP so we can 'see' and cycle power wherever needed. 
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2019, 10:13:37 PM »

I haven't seen SurgeX after a UPS, what is the rationale behind that?  Curious.

For our installs we split 'power stuffs' into three categories.  Surge protection most upstream (SurgeX), then UPS for the devices that need it, such as anything networking, DSP's, audio consoles, etc; lastly IP controlled outlets for remote monitoring and control.  Everything is IP so we can 'see' and cycle power wherever needed.

The rational (as I was told by the consultant) was to provide an additional layer of security in the event the UPS went squirrelly.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 10:24:16 AM »

The Furman model in question is a little more than a couple of MOV's across the line.
It will power down with over and under voltage power issues.

Unless you need the multiple extra outlets no need to use it.

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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2019, 03:18:44 PM »

You are likely remembering that UPS’s and generators don’t mix...

Please explain this? I've never heard such a thing, unless you are somehow powering the generator from the UPS, which would be counterintuitive at best but more likely nonsensical.
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2019, 03:47:51 PM »

Please explain this? I've never heard such a thing, unless you are somehow powering the generator from the UPS, which would be counterintuitive at best but more likely nonsensical.

Apparently there are a number of UPS designs that view line frequency variations as a "failure" and switch to battery.  Finding this out at a gig will leave a mark. ;)
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Re: Furman conditioner on TrippLite double conversion UPS
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2019, 05:28:05 PM »

Apparently there are a number of UPS designs that view line frequency variations as a "failure" and switch to battery.  Finding this out at a gig will leave a mark. ;)

Try ALL of them. (well, my experience is with mostly with APC 1000VA and up)
Line freq in not "in range", and they trip.
An almost adequate Genny on a good solid bass hit will trip the UPS.
Should be no problem with inverter Genny's
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