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Rackable router?
Brian Bolly:
Some quick google-fu tells me the guts of that Swissonic are a Zioncom (also branded as Totolink) router, likely their A950RG, but possibly the A3000RU.
Basically, that 1U rack mount router is the guts of a $30-40 box with some fancy metalwork and a couple Ethercons on the front. I wouldn't expect much from it.
Nick Falbo:
Why anyone uses consumer grade network gear to run a show is beyond me. Apple, Netgear, etc. Are all not made for use in high wireless traffic areas. Also I am blown away by the people that don't know that a router is not a wireless device...
Best way to think of it here folks, would you go to Walmart and buy speakers from Walmart to use as your FOH mains? If the answer is no why would you buy a Walmart routers with wireless AP built in to use as you network for your system?
You don't always need a router is you are just trying to get wireless access. A router is a piece of hardware that routes traffic between two or more Networks, if you are not routing between two different networks then all you need is a wireless access point.
Wireless Networks work in the 2.4ghz and 5ghz frequencies, which are effected highly by obstacles like walls or a crowd of people. Hence why it is better to get the access point or antennas above the crowd, line of sight from computer to antenna will give you better coverage than buying a higher price AP. This is the reason why people start to have trouble with their wireless coverage, they put one consumer grade wireless router in a rack on stage behind all the gear and well below the height of the crowd, then can't figure out why they loose signal 50ft away from the stage.
Here is the biggest thing, if you do not know, ask or have someone set it up for you. Stop trying to be the musician/sound engineer that knows it all and won't get help from an IT professional. Stop asking for advice and then disagreeing with the advice that people give you.
P.s. I work in the IT field as my 9 to 5 job.
Scott Slater:
--- Quote from: Nick Falbo on September 19, 2019, 07:07:44 PM ---Why anyone uses consumer grade network gear to run a show is beyond me. Apple, Netgear, etc. Are all not made for use in high wireless traffic areas.
--- End quote ---
I agree for the most part, but the Apple iPads are finicky, and like something about Apple's wireless better than business-grade APs. I was running a Fortigate 100D with a FAP-221E and I was getting regular drops with line of sight to the AP at about 15' to 20' away. I replaced this network gear with an Apple AirPort Extreme and have had no issues since. So as Ivan says......it depends.
Rob Spence:
--- Quote from: Nick Falbo on September 19, 2019, 07:07:44 PM ---Why anyone uses consumer grade network gear to run a show is beyond me. Apple, Netgear, etc. Are all not made for use in high wireless traffic areas. Also I am blown away by the people that don't know that a router is not a wireless device...
Best way to think of it here folks, would you go to Walmart and buy speakers from Walmart to use as your FOH mains? If the answer is no why would you buy a Walmart routers with wireless AP built in to use as you network for your system?
You don't always need a router is you are just trying to get wireless access. A router is a piece of hardware that routes traffic between two or more Networks, if you are not routing between two different networks then all you need is a wireless access point.
Wireless Networks work in the 2.4ghz and 5ghz frequencies, which are effected highly by obstacles like walls or a crowd of people. Hence why it is better to get the access point or antennas above the crowd, line of sight from computer to antenna will give you better coverage than buying a higher price AP. This is the reason why people start to have trouble with their wireless coverage, they put one consumer grade wireless router in a rack on stage behind all the gear and well below the height of the crowd, then can't figure out why they loose signal 50ft away from the stage.
Here is the biggest thing, if you do not know, ask or have someone set it up for you. Stop trying to be the musician/sound engineer that knows it all and won't get help from an IT professional. Stop asking for advice and then disagreeing with the advice that people give you.
P.s. I work in the IT field as my 9 to 5 job.
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Nick, we go over this stuff about twice a year.
For most folk, they are not running in a high traffic environment. The bandwidth needs for weekend warrior use is pretty minimal.
Most folk would love Danley or EAW for their bar rigs but realistically there is no business case for it.
For WiFi control, the budget lines up with the gig value.
No one here is proposing to do an A list stadium show with “routers” from Walmart.
I have used Netgear units for many years without trouble for many small gigs. I use 5gb only. For bigger events I use a Ubiquiti AP.
These days every sound person needs some networking just like most need some lighting. They cannot afford to hire pros to set it up for them and so they ask here for help, not a put down.
They want to make good sound and often that is where they focus. For many, they want the lights and WiFi to work like an appliance, and that is ok.
I have likely done IT longer than you have been on the planet. Yes, a long time. I don’t know everything but I do know what I don’t know.
Edit:
Nick, most of your points have been discussed in this very thread, weeks ago. I don’t know you but you come across as a condescending know it all who just dropped in to poop on everybody.
Perhaps read more and post less?
TheSingingDrummer:
I know that this is a terribly old thread - but I hope that there will be a response.
I am looking into the Ubiquiti wireless access point (UniFi AC Mesh AP) with their EdgeRouter bc of this thread. However, I also saw:
--- Quote from: Nick Falbo on September 19, 2019, 07:07:44 PM ---You don't always need a router is you are just trying to get wireless access. A router is a piece of hardware that routes traffic between two or more Networks, if you are not routing between two different networks then all you need is a wireless access point.
--- End quote ---
I detest the little 12v wall wart style of power supplies that come with units like the Ubiquity Edgerouter... I found a switch that had a built in power supply. CONFESSION, I am no IT guy. But the quote I saw above leads me to believe that I just need a way to connect the Ubiquiti wireless access point (UniFi AC Mesh AP) to the XR18 mixer. And having a switch there with additional ports makes me think that I can add my computer as well....
But I think that the ethernet port is not active if the phylsical switch on the XR18 is in the 'Ethernet' position. And once it is in the Ethernet position, does it then shut off its own network?
Sorry for the ignorance. I am a singing drummer who ends up brining all the gear to the gig and I want something that works - Thank you
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