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Rodrigo C Goncalves

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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2019, 03:33:29 pm »

Since you are mixing for the one band / drums, you can save your scene/mix in the UI or XR so you don't have to start from scratch each show.  Levels, effects, dynamics, monitor mixes, routing can all be saved.
Given a consistent line-up, you would basically be plug and play, other than the venue differences.
BTW, the UI has one of the best interfaces out there, super configurable.
As to the built in WiFi, they work fine until they don't.  When the UI has dropped out, it just stops controlling things.  Re-connecting causes no audible problems.  But an external router is definitely more reliable.

Yeah the saving of scenes is the #1 reason why I immediately considered digital. I started with an analog in the studio, when I went digital... My god the ease.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2019, 03:38:04 pm »

Hi Rod, and welcome to the LAB forums.

As you have studio background you might want to borrow or hire the Senny system and record your drums with them, and then record using the same mics with wired connections.  Compare and contrast and you'll hear why Erik Jerde said what he did in reply #7... well, sort of.  At the US$5k mark the wireless is getting darn close to a cable but at the prices most of us can afford the step down in quality is apparent.

For the most part, time saving is found in pre-packaging the mics, DIs and cabling.  If your band sets up the same way most of the time this will likely give you a much better result than wireless mics on the drum kit.  Cable looms and sub-snakes are your friends and since this is for the same band with (hopefully) similar physical set up each time, you can customize the looms & subsnakes to your needs.

If you use a drum rack rather than individual stands you can affix the drum mic cable loom to it for transport; you'll not need to do anything but mount your mics, plug them in, and then plug the loom into the mixer/sub snake/digital snake box.  Build a loom of mic cables to run to stage left and stage right from your on-stage mixer; only 1 thing to coil up at the end of the night.  Get Z-Bars for the guitar amps, hang a Senny e906, etc to get rid of GTR mic stands.  Run a sub-snake down front to pick up the downstage vocals, horns or keys, etc.  If a general area needs more than 1 mic cable it's probably worth building a loom or if the cable run length is over 25 ft or so a sub-snake is probably better.

Delegating tasks to the band members is important, too.  In a celebrity impersonation show I worked with the cast was responsible for setting the front line monitor wedges, running the speaker cable loom to them and plugging them in, running a down stage AC power stringer for fans and performer "practicals", and setting out any mics and stands the cast used.  The orchestra (band) members were responsible for anything within an arm's reach of their performance area.  Wedge, mic stands, helping run looms or sub snakes, stage AC power.  I did all the patching at the main snake and did a line check from the monitor console as we went along.  From the time we had AC power to stage left, audio was ready for sound check and rehearsals in <60 minutes.  Around 38-42 inputs, 8-10 piece orchestra, 5-6 cast members.  And that 60 minutes included putting out set pieces and risers, but not final dressing of the stage.

There is a sticky thread at the top of the Lounge index about the best way to integrate a band IEM rig with a house or festival PA system.  I mention that because there is much discussion of how to package for speedy deployment and compact transport & operation.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc

Edit ps: I see you're in the UK.  You'll have to do the metric conversions... ;)

Thank you!

And yeah, we don't use any amps actually. guitar goes straight from the FX pedalboard to the console and PA. Rob says, since it's function and we're there as basically a human jukebox, it's not worth it carrying, miking and setting up amps. I think he's right.
The only reason we still use floor wedges for monitoring is because we can't afford in-ears for everyone, because theirs would have to be wireless.
The goal is to always go smaller and smaller. The in-ears are in the list of next steps, right along with a BOSE PA so we can also reduce our PA size but keep it loud enough.
By the way, any input on the BOSE stuff? I've never used it but I keep hearing good things about it.

Cheers!
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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2019, 03:42:03 pm »

Also, here's a quick question about these mixers:
All of them have a USB port for playing stuff from a pen drive.
But, in my use case, we use an iPad to play the stuff. It'd be nice if I could use the USB to both charge it and play, instead of having to use a charger + audio cable. The lightning cable would also be more secure. Had a problem last gig with the mini-jack cable coming off the top of it.
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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2019, 03:44:08 pm »


By the way, any input on the BOSE stuff? I've never used it but I keep hearing good things about it.


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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2019, 03:52:53 pm »

By the way, any input on the BOSE stuff? I've never used it but I keep hearing good things about it.

For most of what they manufacture, they aren't tools I'd ever choose to use (even if that meant mixing on a PreSonus). Their install products aren't terrible (ControlSpace has its quirks, but what in that space doesn't), but the rest? Nope.

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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2019, 04:03:49 pm »

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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2019, 04:37:10 pm »

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Too good, mate.

On a slightly separate topic: Since all of you have been recommending using an external router, do you guys have a recommendation of one that's in 1U format? I'd hate to build a beautiful rack and have a regular, ugly ass, loose upside down spider-looking router sitting on top of it.
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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2019, 04:40:58 pm »

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Too good, mate.

On a slightly separate topic: Since all of you have been recommending using an external router, do you guys have a recommendation of one that's in 1U format? I'd hate to build a beautiful rack and have a regular, ugly ass, loose upside down spider-looking router sitting on top of it.

No, you don't want to put a wireless unit down low in a rack.  It needs to have line of sight.   Besides you don't need a router, just an access point.  Some have great form factors that you can mount on a mic stand or something to get the height you need.
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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2019, 05:02:00 pm »

No, you don't want to put a wireless unit down low in a rack.  It needs to have line of site.   Besides you don't need a router, just an access point.  Some have great form factors that you can mount on a mic stand or something to get the height you need.

Right. I forgot about the height thing. Crap. That's probably why I can't find a lot of 1U ones. Hmmm.
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Re: Wireless drums?
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2019, 07:47:14 pm »

Also, here's a quick question about these mixers:
All of them have a USB port for playing stuff from a pen drive.
But, in my use case, we use an iPad to play the stuff. It'd be nice if I could use the USB to both charge it and play, instead of having to use a charger + audio cable. The lightning cable would also be more secure. Had a problem last gig with the mini-jack cable coming off the top of it.

On mixers that support audio playback from a USB stick load your tracks to the USB stick and play them directly from the mixer. They all have a player menu that shows the files.
If your busy mixing someone else with an iPad could play the files.

For back up have a couple USB sticks with the needed files on them and or course the iPad as well.

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