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Ron Ventour

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PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« on: June 01, 2019, 04:49:06 PM »

I have a Linea Research 44M20 that comes with a 32a powercon cable, i have a gig coming up soon and the place have a water heater that’s not being used connected to a 220v -32 amp circuit.

I want to put a L6-30 or L6-20 female receptacle on that circuit. I would also make a powercon 32a to L6-30 or L6-20 male cable to connect to the receptacle, so the LR amp can get 220v

Can this work safely? which connection will be better L6-30 or L6-20, I’m pretty sure you can put a L6-30 on a 220-32 amp circuit but not sure about L6-20

There are 15a receptacles there that I can use (the LR amp is very efficient) but I’ve never hooked up the amp to 220 yet since I got it and want to see how it performs on 220v

Any info will be greatly appreciated thanks

forgot to add I’ll be using 10-3 SJOOW to make the cable or should I use soow
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2019, 04:52:37 PM »

forgot to add I’ll be using 10-3 SJOOW to make the cable or should I use soow
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 05:09:57 PM »

It the circuit is protected by a 30 amp fuse or circuit breaker you don't want a 20 amp connector in the circuit.

I'm curious, you mention the water heater is on a 32 amp circuit (which sounds British/EUish) but mention USA NEMA connectors, too.

Compliance is a question of geography, Ron.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2019, 06:58:39 PM »

Where are you located?  Powecon 32A is a single phase 3 wire connector.  You’re not going to get 220 from it in North America unless you’re on a non-standard electrical installation.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2019, 09:17:12 PM »

It the circuit is protected by a 30 amp fuse or circuit breaker you don't want a 20 amp connector in the circuit.

I'm curious, you mention the water heater is on a 32 amp circuit (which sounds British/EUish) but mention USA NEMA connectors, too.

Compliance is a question of geography, Ron.

I’m sorry Tim, I’m meant 30 amp breaker..when I looked in the breaker panel, I saw that the water heater is on (2)30 amp breakers.

So the L6-20 is out of the picture, will the L6-30 be ok?
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2019, 09:23:31 PM »

I’m sorry Tim, I’m meant 30 amp breaker..when I looked in the breaker panel, I saw that the water heater is on (2)30 amp breakers.

So the L6-20 is out of the picture, will the L6-30 be ok?

Yes, the two pole 30 amp breaker means you can use L6-30.  Two hots and ground.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2019, 09:24:50 PM »

Where are you located?  Powecon 32A is a single phase 3 wire connector.  You’re not going to get 220 from it in North America unless you’re on a non-standard electrical installation.

I’m in Florida, the powercon connector that came with the LR amp I think it’s marked 32 amp 120/250...I could be wrong I will have to look at it when I reach home...I currently have it on a 12-3 sjoow  cable with a Edison 5-15 plug that I been using since I got the amp.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2019, 09:26:45 PM »

Yes, the two pole 30 amp breaker means you can use L6-30.  Two hots and ground.

Ok thanks...will the 10/3 sjoow cable be ok?
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2019, 10:13:20 PM »

Where are you located?  Powecon 32A is a single phase 3 wire connector.  You’re not going to get 220 from it in North America unless you’re on a non-standard electrical installation.

Says who?  A powercon 32A can be 120V or 240/208V.  It all depends on the plug on the other end.

IIRC iTech4x3500 and Dynacord IPX 4:20 come with this connector on the amp, but a two pole plug on the other end.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 12:50:24 AM »

Says who?  A powercon 32A can be 120V or 240/208V.  It all depends on the plug on the other end.

IIRC iTech4x3500 and Dynacord IPX 4:20 come with this connector on the amp, but a two pole plug on the other end.

Neutrik says.  Go read the product page.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2019, 10:23:07 AM »

Neutrik says.  Go read the product page.

From the Neutrik website:

https://www.neutrik.us/en-us/product/nac3fc-hc

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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2019, 03:39:19 PM »

Per the Neutrik documents, all of the powerCon connectors are rated to 250 VAC. The use of a lower voltage is therefore allowed.  I'm with David on this one.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2019, 04:51:16 PM »

Per the Neutrik documents, all of the powerCon connectors are rated to 250 VAC. The use of a lower voltage is therefore allowed.  I'm with David on this one.

The document I read said 1 hot, 1 neutral, and 1 safety ground. In much of the world that gets you 240V, in North America it gets you 120V. It does not say you can use 2 hots and 1 safety ground.

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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2019, 05:41:45 PM »

This is from a road test review article on the Linea Research amp.

For power, a 32A Neutrik PowerCon-type locking AC connector is provided. All Linea models are designed to operate on 50/60 Hz AC power, and the power supply automatically configures itself for either 115- or 230-volt nominal voltage at turn on.

So depending on what plug you using on the other end A powercon 32A can be 120V or 240/208V like David mentioned earlier, the amp automatically config's its self to whatever you hook it up to. 
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2019, 08:34:15 PM »

The document I read said 1 hot, 1 neutral, and 1 safety ground. In much of the world that gets you 240V, in North America it gets you 120V. It does not say you can use 2 hots and 1 safety ground.

Mac

Exactly.  Mfgr specifically calls out HNG not HHG.  It’s like some people have never been out of North America.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2019, 09:10:31 PM »

I agree that one hot, one neutral, one safety ground is the powerCon 32A configuration. I was reading the comments as suggesting that the one hot could only be 220-250 vac; my comment was that the hot could be either 120 or 240 vac.

My comment was not the model of clarity. (As is probably the case more often than I intend.). 😀
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2019, 09:29:21 PM »

I agree that one hot, one neutral, one safety ground is the powerCon 32A configuration. I was reading the comments as suggesting that the one hot could only be 220-250 vac; my comment was that the hot could be either 120 or 240 vac.

My comment was not the model of clarity. (As is probably the case more often than I intend.). 😀

I'm guessing the 250V rating is so that there is one world-compatible part.  Plus a 250V is easily accomplished these days.
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 09:46:13 PM »

Can't speak to the Neutrik connector or the amp mentioned, but based on tons of power supplies installed, in the case of connecting to the variable voltage power supplies that I have connected, voltage is voltage whether H/N or H/H. As long as it is in the working parameters of the equipment and associate devices. (If it is listed to work at 120 to 277V, put 208V to it and it will decide how to react). Disclaimer.."Not saying that all supplies are the same, but at least all that I have installed work this way"

If it were me, I would send an email to Neutrik and ask them why one of the terminals is specifically labeled N. It is more likely because it is not cost effective to produce two products based on their demand.
Unless there is something I don't understand the neutral terminal will have the same rating as the H, but in this case not the same marking.

In my area there is still a lot of Delta secondary systems which in most cases gives approx 210volts to N, just a useless fact. 
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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2019, 07:45:14 AM »

Well now I’m all confused, can I safely run 220 to the Linea Research amp? 2 hots and a ground to this 32a powercon connector it came with? My guess is when running 220v the neutral on the powercon connector acts as the 2nd hot input, and when running 120 the neutral acts like a neutral for120, then the amp just configure its self to the apllied voltage, correct me if I’m wrong

I know there’s a few members in here the uses the Danley DNA20K amp which is the same amp as the Linea Research amp mentioned in here, I do believe it comes with the same 32a powercon connector. Is anyone running 220 to the Danley amp with that same powercon connector?

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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2019, 09:30:11 AM »

Well now I’m all confused, can I safely run 220 to the Linea Research amp? 2 hots and a ground to this 32a powercon connector it came with? My guess is when running 220v the neutral on the powercon connector acts as the 2nd hot input, and when running 120 the neutral acts like a neutral for120, then the amp just configure its self to the apllied voltage, correct me if I’m wrong

I know there’s a few members in here the uses the Danley DNA20K amp which is the same amp as the Linea Research amp mentioned in here, I do believe it comes with the same 32a powercon connector. Is anyone running 220 to the Danley amp with that same powercon connector?

As i stated in my previous post iTech 4x3500s and Dynacord 20:4 come from the factory with an L6-30 to Powercon 32A plug.   Which is two hots and a ground to deliver 208-240V to the amp.   It's also an off the shelf part from Dynacord. 

This is how I have powered hundreds of these amps in stadiums throughout the US.

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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2019, 09:52:05 AM »

As i stated in my previous post iTech 4x3500s and Dynacord 20:4 come from the factory with an L6-30 to Powercon 32A plug.   Which is two hots and a ground to deliver 208-240V to the amp.   It's also an off the shelf part from Dynacord. 

This is how I have powered hundreds of these amps in stadiums throughout the US.

This is also a connection method that Linea has approved for at least a number of their amps.  I have not used all models but those that I have can utilize hot, neutral, ground wiring or hot, hot, ground wiring.

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Re: PowerCon 32A to L6-20 or L6-30
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