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[Mal Brown]

I’ve been offered 4 of these in trade for an item I have up for sale.  Value at approx $500 per unit.  They have seen use as floor monitors for the most part.

As speakers go... how are these ? Suitable for small FOH ? Small DJ support ?  Or floor monitor only...  As a step between QSC k12’s and low-153’s ?

Do they highpass for use with a sub or will I need a drive rack ?  I have a bunch of kw-181’s.  No plans for Yamaha subs...

I recall Ms Dunkley having some issues with (I think...) the 112 variant.


Thanks!

[Taylor Hall]

At that valuation I'd want to hear/inspect them first. Those cabinets retail for double that amount so they're either in rough shape visually, or have been run harder than the guy is letting on. I could see why he would say he mostly used them for monitors, though, as they weigh in at 60lbs each...

As far as performance, the DSR series is no slouch and can handle any of the scenarios you listed. They do have a built in high pass for use with a sub, looks like it's set at 120Hz so it should play pretty well with the KW181 since I think their lpf engages around there as well.

[Thomas Le]

DSR115 doesn't have a wedge angle unless it was using something to prop it up or used as sidefills/drumfill. The DSR is in the same tier as the KW and the PRX700/800.

[Steve Litcher]

I'd be curious about the age of the speakers and number of hours in use. And, as Thomas mentioned, the DSR115 doesn't have a wedge angle, so using it as a floor monitor would've been tricky.

Perhaps if you could run some measurements on them prior to buying/trading, it would might be a decent deal. New list = $999ea; street new (asking for discount) should be around $750ea new. $500ea used, if in good shape, is pretty reasonable.

[Taylor Hall]

DSR115 doesn't have a wedge angle unless it was using something to prop it up or used as sidefills/drumfill. The DSR is in the same tier as the KW and the PRX700/800.

I've seen a few small bands with little angled platforms to do just that. Kind of a niche solution since it seems like nearly every 2-way cabinet has a monitor angle these days, but I guess sometimes ya gotta work with what ya got.

[Al Poulin]

I’ve been offered 4 of these in trade for an item I have up for sale.  Value at approx $500 per unit.  They have seen use as floor monitors for the most part.

As speakers go... how are these ? Suitable for small FOH ? Small DJ support ?  Or floor monitor only...  As a step between QSC k12’s and low-153’s ?

Do they highpass for use with a sub or will I need a drive rack ?  I have a bunch of kw-181’s.  No plans for Yamaha subs...


Odd choice for monitors IMO. The DSR115 have immense power reserves, but need some EQ applied as they seem to lack beef in the mid frequencies - at least I found they had a bit too much top end and bass compared to the mids - out of the box. They are heavy, but their dimensions make them OK to move around, compared to I don't know NX750Ps or PS15Ps...   
I recall Ms Dunkley having some issues with (I think...) the 112 variant.


Thanks!

[Dave Garoutte]

Make sure they are the DSR115 with a wooden enclosure, not the DXR15 made from plastic.
The DXR is still a good box, but definitely a step down from the DSR.

[Mal Brown]

These turn out to be dsr 112.  Communications mistake on my part nothing nefarious.   

[Chris Grimshaw]

Fair enough.
DSR112s are better-known around here. Low-frequency support seems to be pretty much mandatory but once that's in place, by all accounts they're an impressive box.

Chris

[Scott Holtzman]

There is a lot of love for the DSR112 here.  It does get silly loud and I can't think of another word than uncluttered compared to the KW112 (QSC) that have been out workhorse SOS rigs for years.

The DSR's work well with the kw181's and for the most part the KW's are all on monitor and fill duty now.  With the KW181 you have to use an external crossover.

I will say the DSR's are no where near as rugged as the KW's.  They are made of a composite material that is finer than MDF but chips easy.  My apes have taken chunks out of them I have had to repair with Bondo.  Debbie has a knack for keeping her gear like new but if your stuff is out all the time and moved by crews these are the wrong boxes.  I am going to case them up.  Only way they will last long enough to lay for themselves.

I bought a pair of DZR's and I have been running them myself.  They are noticeably better than the DSR's and very easy to mix on.  I have no way to quantify it simply that I don't have to work hard to get then sounding good.  Little EQ and they too get silly loud.  They also look very high end with the grill foam. 

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[Greg Harwood]

I've been using DSR112 speakers for a few years now.  I don't gig a lot anymore, but these have been outstanding.  They sound very good for their price point, get loud, and do well at FOH and/or monitor duties.  As mentioned above they do have 120hz filter when using with sub or vocal monitor.

[Sean Zurbrick]

$500 a box seems about right to me used and in good shape. MAP is $900, which puts street at ~$700 new. 50 - 60% of MAP / 70% of street is about right for most current version used gear or even a previous version if it's something that changes a lot (Like RCF that seemingly puts out a slightly different version of the same box every 2 years).

[Steve Garris]

I will say the DSR's are no where near as rugged as the KW's.  They are made of a composite material that is finer than MDF but chips easy.  My apes have taken chunks out of them I have had to repair with Bondo.  Debbie has a knack for keeping her gear like new but if your stuff is out all the time and moved by crews these are the wrong boxes.  I am going to case them up.  Only way they will last long enough to lay for themselves.


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This is surprising to me. I have a set of these that I use for floor monitors, and mine are 6 and 7 years old and still look almost new. I don't use covers, but I am very careful with my gear, and when I hire a helper that person is trained as well. I also have JBL PRX & SRX boxes but I don't think the finish is as good as on my Yamaha's. I guess YMMV.

[Rob Spence]

The DSR's work well with the kw181's and for the most part the KW's are all on monitor and fill duty now.  With the KW181 you have to use an external crossover.



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I have DXRs and they select the frequencies they want so if you select to run with subs, they apply a high pass.

I also have KW181s and they have built in HP and LP filters so you can send a full range signal.

No crossover needed.




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[Tom Roche]

I have DXRs and they select the frequencies they want so if you select to run with subs, they apply a high pass.

I also have KW181s and they have built in HP and LP filters so you can send a full range signal.

No crossover needed.

Yes, no crossover is needed depending on the tops you use.  I think Scott's point is that since the pass-thru signal of the KW181 is full range (internal LP set at 100Hz) and with the DSR12's fixed HP set at 120Hz you might want to use an external crossover.  Some have reported here their KW181/DSR12 combo sounds good w/o an external crossover despite the gap between 100Hz and 120Hz.

[Tom Roche]

I bought a pair of DZR's and I have been running them myself.  They are noticeably better than the DSR's and very easy to mix on.  I have no way to quantify it simply that I don't have to work hard to get then sounding good.  Little EQ and they too get silly loud.  They also look very high end with the grill foam. 

Good to read this feedback.  I almost bought the DSRs, but held out for the DZRs.  To me the DZRs sound much better than my HPRs.  Even so, I have remained curious as to how they compare to the DSRs.

[Mal Brown]

A 100 to 120 gap would drive me nuts...  being a bass player, sound guy.. I try to get the low end as right as it can be and float everything else on top of that most nights.  Having some F# and G not there in my bass guitar would be problematic...

This hits songs written in eMin, G, D, C, A, B ... like every common guitar key...  as the sheep say. bAAAAd...

[Rick Powell]

A 100 to 120 gap would drive me nuts...  being a bass player, sound guy.. I try to get the low end as right as it can be and float everything else on top of that most nights.  Having some F# and G not there in my bass guitar would be problematic...

This hits songs written in eMin, G, D, C, A, B ... like every common guitar key...  as the sheep say. bAAAAd...

Hmmm, electronic crossover not always equal to acoustic crossover. There may not be a perceptible (3 dB or more) “hole” where the electronic crossover gap is. Sometimes there is an excess buildup, not a hole, where subs and highs are crossed at the same frequency due to additive frequencies not properly accounted for. As they say, “it depends”.

[Tim McCulloch]

Hmmm, electronic crossover not always equal to acoustic crossover. There may not be a perceptible (3 dB or more) “hole” where the electronic crossover gap is. Sometimes there is an excess buildup, not a hole, where subs and highs are crossed at the same frequency due to additive frequencies not properly accounted for. As they say, “it depends”.

^^^ THIS.

And if the sub to top levels are "haystacked", which is VERY common, the subwoofer has an acoustic LPF that is proportionately higher with increased drive level.

[Debbie Dunkley]

Hmmm, electronic crossover not always equal to acoustic crossover. There may not be a perceptible (3 dB or more) “hole” where the electronic crossover gap is. Sometimes there is an excess buildup, not a hole, where subs and highs are crossed at the same frequency due to additive frequencies not properly accounted for. As they say, “it depends”.

Yes - this.
When I first got my PRX718xlf's and saw that the HP filter is set at 100hz yet passes through at 120hz, I called JBL and asked this question. I was told the same thing Rick said and have never noticed a hole using them with my DSR's. 

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