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Author Topic: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands  (Read 1455 times)

Scott Holtzman

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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2019, 05:51:23 pm »

Just a follow up on this.  The movers finally came (slow boat) after about 3-4 weeks.  All seem to be operating.  They are small, have fairly narrow beams (wish they were wider), and pretty bright compared to my other crummy fill lights.  They seem to move and dim ok.  Just started programming so I'll know more later. 

FWIW the $500 for the 6 lights was the tip of the iceberg.  I needed another ethernet-dmx node, t tops (2) hanging clamps (6), wireless dmx xmit/rcv doodads (set of 3) and some dmx cables and terminators.    That all cost nearly what the lights cost.

Expensive education but I expect I could sell most of it as a complete setup to some DJ and make most of it back.

--Kevin

Cheap education, from another perspective consider yourself lucky.  The fixtures my clients are looking for are 3-5k each, hence why I am not getting into the lighting business.  20 platinum spots, rigging, cases and a few spares is 70k investment.
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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2019, 10:29:06 am »

Here's the link:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32839827235.html?spm=a2g0s.12269583.0.0.405b39be7C4oUj

Rob - Yes on safety cables.  These are a ways away from being used live.  But that will be a concern before they are used live.

Scott - yes it adds up for quality gear.  I have not yet figured how I'll transport these.  So some sort of cases loom in the future.    If they never leave my family room I will have learned most of what I want to.

--Kevin
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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2019, 09:39:33 pm »

Scott - yes it adds up for quality gear.  I have not yet figured how I'll transport these.  So some sort of cases loom in the future.

Yep.  As has been said many times, every time you want to jump up a "level" of game be it in sound, lights, or another service it's more or less a doubling of your investment to date, having to make that investment at once.  I also stand by my statements that we're very lucky as an industry to have so many options available to us, even at the very low investment level.  Not only does it offer more people an opportunity to learn the art, but enables small operators to do things that were financially and logistically unfeasible even a decade ago.  That said, there comes a point that cheap is great until it's not.  Controllers that have limited functions and output, moving lights that don't dim well or match in color...  There comes the point that you need to pay a professional price for a professional product with professional features.  Tupperware bins and orange extension cords are a common sight in the bar band scene, but something you'll (almost) never see at the pro level.  Hatchbacks and SUVs become trucks and commercial trailers...  Fun stuff for sure, but I'd wager my investments thus far in things like cords/cables, cable ramps, truss, cases, adapters, clamps, and all the other logistical "stuff" you need to make a show go on would outweigh my investments in shiny speakers and moving lights.  Best of luck with the project though! 
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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2019, 10:53:45 am »

Jeff -

I completely get it.  I got here by being in a band and accumulating gear and being forced/interested in learning to use it.  (1974-ish).  Then I had enough of a system to pile up and work as a small operator in bars.   That was ok but I wanted bigger and could not figure out how to do that.  Went to work for a medium-sized audio company in CT for a while.  Did some big theaters and huge clubs with pro gear at the end of the ground-stack era.  Didn't like the lifestyle and gave it up.   Went back to bands and now just back to very small systems in small places working out of a pickup truck.  Mainly for my own interest.

--Kevin
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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2019, 08:28:30 am »

I'm a colorblind sound guy.   But bands I do audio for like it if I can bring some lights.  So I have a small led thinpar setup with 8 cheap chinese ~60watt and a pair of older Chauvet 4-bar minis on stands.   Wireless DMX (donner) to an DMXKing eDMX ethernet converter.  Connected to my Apple airport extreme same as the x32 runs with and use luminair3 to control.

Take 15 min to set up, runs on its own and bands like having something more than driveway spots....   Learning something about DMX lighting was just about worth what it all cost.

I've been dying to try using movers but I can't justify any in the 'good quality' range.   This isn't for profit - it's for my own learning and entertainment/challenge.   Very small places and never flown above 10-12 ft.

I see that Sweetwater has the Martin thrill mini movers on sale.  I could get 4 (budget around $1000).  I would run a separate universe for these.   Mainly like to try the rain, beam shape, and ability to possibly move as solo backlight or other simple mover functions.   Not into the dj bounc-the-lights-all-over-the-room thing.

Question is whether these fit the bill as cheap, decent for the purpose, effective/worth it or is there a better way.  One thing I don't want are pin spots.  I'd hope to have a wider cone of light at short range.  max trim will be ablout 12ft and stages are usually less than 40wide X 20deep.

Thoughts?

--Kevin

I have been using ArtFox Lighting fixtures for a few years now. Chinese manufacturing with warehouses in LA and Texas. Tech support has been surprisingly good. Now, these are a little more expensive than what you may find on Ebay, but the additional features and the support are worth it.
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Mal Brown

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Re: Cheap but usable Movers for bar bands
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2019, 09:19:36 pm »

How do you deal with Artfox ?  Email ? There are a couple of lights there Iím interested in,,  mostly the 12x10 color mixing ip65 rated flat par
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