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Tim McCulloch

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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2019, 09:38:32 pm »

The last new price for a 2242 was something around $700...way over priced even then in comparison to what else was available let alone to what is available now.

What size are your W bins. They have some output but may not be going as low as you think.

The W bin - at least the original "RCA" style - was optimized for around 55 Hz, IIRC
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2019, 11:11:33 pm »

The Keele W horns that JBL published designs for were specced as being a 40 hz flare rate and noted that a stack of eight would provide the requisite mouth area.  Like so much else on the PSW forums this has come up before.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=138996.0

The W bin - at least the original "RCA" style - was optimized for around 55 Hz, IIRC

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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2019, 04:14:21 am »

John, when I search for ES21 subwoofer I get results showing me a small home theatre subwoofer. Could you give me more info on that sub!


http://yorkville.com/subwoofers/elite/product/es21p/
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2019, 07:34:33 am »

The last new price for a 2242 was something around $700...way over priced even then in comparison to what else was available let alone to what is available now.

What size are your W bins. They have some output but may not be going as low as you think.

Yeah, $700 a piece is way too steep. Mine are 24Ēx30Ēx48Ē outside dimensions. One of my bands had their own gear when I met them and they had a pair of OAP brand Wís loaded with eminence drivers. It was night and day difference between theirs and mine. Mine seem smoother than theirs were and more punchy, probably due to being able to handle more power. Iím not saying that they are the best subs out there, but they sound different than most other W bins.  I would like to measure their output and see what they are actually doing. I donít have a rig to measure with and I donít know anyone local that does either.
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2019, 12:45:30 pm »

I would like to measure their output and see what they are actually doing. I donít have a rig to measure with and I donít know anyone local that does either.

If you update your user profile with your location (counterintuitively, on this forum software you need to put it in the "Personal Text" field for it to show up in your posts BTW), you may well find there's a forum member nearby who'd be willing to come do a measurement session with you for the cost of a beer or 2.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2019, 02:26:30 pm »

If you update your user profile with your location (counterintuitively, on this forum software you need to put it in the "Personal Text" field for it to show up in your posts BTW), you may well find there's a forum member nearby who'd be willing to come do a measurement session with you for the cost of a beer or 2.

Thanks for that David!
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2019, 10:20:24 pm »

Thanks for that David!

Atlanta?  You're in luck.  Besides having about every major and minor brand represented in that market, it's home of Danley Sound Labs.  You might have a life-changing experience in their demo room with the W bin as your standard of comparison.

Twelve years ago LAB participant Paul Bell sponsored a subwoofer shoot out in a club in Manhattan and we spent 2 days doing TEF sweeps and listening/feeling.  The Environmental Police showed up because we were shaking an apartment on the 5th floor... across the street.  Reports in the Archive under NYC Subwoofer shootout.

Today's new subs might be +4dB in output and maybe another 1/3 octave lower for similar physical size/weight.  That's 50% fewer subs to own, transport, handle, and occupy venue space.  We've come a long, long way.

It's a great time to be in audio!  :D
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2019, 12:52:23 am »

Atlanta?  You're in luck.  Besides having about every major and minor brand represented in that market, it's home of Danley Sound Labs.  You might have a life-changing experience in their demo room with the W bin as your standard of comparison.

Twelve years ago LAB participant Paul Bell sponsored a subwoofer shoot out in a club in Manhattan and we spent 2 days doing TEF sweeps and listening/feeling.  The Environmental Police showed up because we were shaking an apartment on the 5th floor... across the street.  Reports in the Archive under NYC Subwoofer shootout.

Today's new subs might be +4dB in output and maybe another 1/3 octave lower for similar physical size/weight.  That's 50% fewer subs to own, transport, handle, and occupy venue space.  We've come a long, long way.

It's a great time to be in audio!  :D
Itís funny you mention this. My neighbor actually works for Danley. Iíve been wanting to make a trip over there even though I can almost bet that everything will be above my budget, but Iíve heard not to let that stop me from stopping by.
Then on a side note, I got a demo tonight. Had a gig with one of my regular bands. Corporate party and lucky me there was a PA already in the room and it was prearranged that was was just sending them a stereo mix. So I got mix on a Meyer line array, not sure of the model, but there were 6 boxes a side, s 2 subs and I think 4 small fill speakers. Subs were their 500hpís. I see what you guys mean about the newer technology, I had all the low end I needed from those flown boxes and the 2 subs! Granted the rig was more than enough for that ballroom but my 2 subs couldnít compete with those things. I havenít looked them up yet, but Iím sure those are out of my budget too.
So I guess in theory, if I knew what my subs performance numbers were it would be easier to compare on paper all these other boxes and I could end up just buying 2 for now since they obviously will outperform my wís! So I could afford 2 nicer subs versus 4 cheaper ones. Something to think about.
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2019, 01:43:55 pm »

I got to work with a few of the HP700ís, these were very good!
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Re: JBL 2242ís and equivalent
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2019, 02:17:46 pm »

http://yorkville.com/subwoofers/elite/product/es21p/

Thanks, canít belive I didnít see this earlier. That thing is a beast at 202lbs!
While weight for a sub doesnít bother me too much, I am still basically a one man show for now but that may be changing in the near future since Iíve got a band thatís asking for more ďproductionĒ in terms of lighting. So I may start having someone around to help schlep gear! Guess I need to start looking for demo opportunities and make an appointment up the street to listen to some Danley stuff too!
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