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Scott Holtzman

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Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« on: March 14, 2019, 01:26:53 am »

These are specified as material lifts.  I see they have an outrigger kit but my main concern is levelers would have to be retrofitted. 

These would be used for light truss lifting (flying large banners behind dance floors and cheer and dance events) possible 4 boxes of mid format line array (well within the 450lb 24" load limit).

Does anyone have any expereince with this application of the life.  I am going to try and call Genie tomorrow and see if they are helpful.

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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2019, 03:08:31 am »

They don't seem to have any verbiage on entertainment use on the SLA line like they do with the ST line.  However, the only feature that they highlight about the ST line is that they are black vs silver.  I'm not sure if there are any additional safety features added to the ST line other than the different outrigger systems and different folding design.

Around here, we see  lot of the SLA lines used for entertainment rigs, as you can rent them from construction rental companies pretty cheaply. Sadly, many times you will see them deployed in some pretty unsafe scenarios.

For flying banners indoors and a small array, I don't see much problem using them, as long as access to the units is restricted so people can't play with them.
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2019, 09:08:38 am »

They don't seem to have any verbiage on entertainment use on the SLA line like they do with the ST line.  However, the only feature that they highlight about the ST line is that they are black vs silver.  I'm not sure if there are any additional safety features added to the ST line other than the different outrigger systems and different folding design.

Around here, we see  lot of the SLA lines used for entertainment rigs, as you can rent them from construction rental companies pretty cheaply. Sadly, many times you will see them deployed in some pretty unsafe scenarios.

For flying banners indoors and a small array, I don't see much problem using them, as long as access to the units is restricted so people can't play with them.

Somewhere there is wordage that the Supertowers are the only ones certified for "entertainment use". SLA are not.


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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2019, 04:56:03 pm »

Only guy I now who uses them Stacks a couple of double 18s on the forks ...  personally it seems sketchy to me...  hes been doing it a long time without incident as far as I know.
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2019, 06:29:26 pm »

Only guy I now who uses them Stacks a couple of double 18s on the forks ...  personally it seems sketchy to me...  hes been doing it a long time without incident as far as I know.

Well I know you can buy an outrigger git.  I would not send them out without levelers so the question is can we drill, add a doubler and weld on the base.  I have a feeling the answer is no.

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2019, 08:06:58 pm »

I've owned and used ST-20's for more than 20 years, and used one of the contractor ones once when an ST-20 was in the shop. I don't know about outriggers for the contractor ones so these comments are "absent appropriate outriggers".

The contractor ones can ONLY be used on flat floors and NEVER outdoors or anyplace that will have wind movement. IF used that way, there is supposedly no reason why they can't be used to hang speaker type things, although, again, if there's any possibility that the load can move while in the air they should not be used in that application.

Outriggers would have made me feel more secure in the one situation that I used them, but that's a purchasable and not rental item, at least around here at that time.

The ST's are much more flexible to use and much more stable feeling, so anyone in doubt should always use those. Or some other product.

Genie is still selling both the -20 and -25, so that's a thing.

Gee, that picture of the guy in the hard hat next to a -25 holding up the end of a truss is really old. That's Stan from the Moore (when I was there, later he was with IIRC Robert Cray for a long time and may still be) in the hard hat; that had to be taken before 1994.
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 08:08:10 pm »

Only guy I now who uses them Stacks a couple of double 18s on the forks ...  personally it seems sketchy to me...  hes been doing it a long time without incident as far as I know.

How does he secure the boxes to the tower so they can't slip?
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2019, 12:19:02 am »

No idea.  I never get that close to them ...
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2019, 01:54:43 am »

How does he secure the boxes to the tower so they can't slip?

They get stacked on the bottom if he wasn't clear.  We do the same on the Genie's we have been renting.  Generally plywood spans the bottom two legs but we always carry 4x4 sills that we use to level stages and risers.

Here is a pic of 4 x 87lbs FBT's + 40lbs bumper bar on Genie's with three Meyer 650R2's on the bottom.  (500lbs)  The perspective is a little off on the pick.  I think the peak of the roof is 50'  We had to strap a 20' stepladder to the scissor lift to hang the ball (just kidding).

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38624400_2107770755931557_8295046453898772480_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=0228c3e6d5ee3a5967dbf284e20b5aec&oe=5D205B5C



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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2019, 02:34:23 am »

Somewhere there is wordage that the Supertowers are the only ones certified for "entertainment use". SLA are not.


Best regards,

John

There are some local guys that use lifts that I believe are Genie. They don't appear to have outriggers. They pile a bunch of road cases on the base and then fly 2 boxes of a JBL curve array beneath 2 subwoofers. The last time I saw them they were suspending the speakers from a nylon strap. The wind would make them turn sideways.
You can see the base of the lift very well in this video. I take it that these are the "not for entertainment use" model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_nneeBjoek

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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2019, 03:35:01 am »

They get stacked on the bottom if he wasn't clear.

Thanks, I misunderstood. I thought he said the guy stacked them "on the forks".
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 03:45:46 am »

There are some local guys that use lifts that I believe are Genie. They don't appear to have outriggers. They pile a bunch of road cases on the base and then fly 2 boxes of a JBL curve array beneath 2 subwoofers. The last time I saw them they were suspending the speakers from a nylon strap. The wind would make them turn sideways.
You can see the base of the lift very well in this video. I take it that these are the "not for entertainment use" model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_nneeBjoek

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No Genie's are supposed to be used outside (in the wind) without guy wires.  If they are turning in the wind the rigging is screwed up too.

What you describe is nylon straps is more than likely spansets and that's how it is supposed to be done.  We use one set on the clevis and another around the back to keep them from sliding forward.  Using a flybar and rigging so they don't twist is the basics.

That's a single road case, if it's empty it's worthless, if it's full of sandbags that's another matter. 

I could not see the fork rigging or how this was leveled so not sure what is up.  I appreciate the video.

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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 08:06:02 am »

There are some local guys that use lifts that I believe are Genie. They don't appear to have outriggers. They pile a bunch of road cases on the base and then fly 2 boxes of a JBL curve array beneath 2 subwoofers.
Unless those road cases are loaded with ballast, what's the point ?
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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 08:56:34 am »

Unless those road cases are loaded with ballast, what's the point ?
Chris.

Even with ballast, the SLA base configuration just isn't safe enough vs the Supertower's greater and more evenly spaced spread with levelers.

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Re: Genie SLA-25 for entertainment use
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2019, 09:36:21 am »

No Genie's are supposed to be used outside (in the wind) without guy wires.

Genie offers no information on how to properly install guy wires, and I have not seen any way to install them without adding to the load of the tower or lift.  We have banned Genie towers from campus because nobody can provide an engineer's stamped drawing on how to deploy them safely.  To be fair, no stages, roofs, scaffold towers, or other towers go up without proper engineering documentation.  Genie makes great material lifts, but as a support for sound and lighting, I am not a fan, I've seen too many failures.
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2019, 03:11:44 pm »

I am guessing the road cases are empty.
Attached is a photo of the same lifts where you can see the speakers they are flying.

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