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Gary Fitzpatrick

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Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« on: March 02, 2019, 06:03:35 am »

I am currently designing the spec for a renovation of a multi purpose venue.
Seating about 300 people.

This theatre will be used for both the local musical and drama society and visiting artists and drama companies.

As a visiting engineer would you rather an analogue multicore or several runs of Cat6 from mix position to the stage.

I will be soeccing an Allen heath SQ system as the in house desk

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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 07:40:46 am »

I am currently designing the spec for a renovation of a multi purpose venue.
Seating about 300 people.

This theatre will be used for both the local musical and drama society and visiting artists and drama companies.

As a visiting engineer would you rather an analogue multicore or several runs of Cat6 from mix position to the stage.

I will be soeccing an Allen heath SQ system as the in house desk

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     I'm sure you'll get many different idea's but as always it "depends". Will all the visiting groups/bands/BE's be ok with the Allen Heath SQ system?  I guessing you'll have enough stage boxes for the venue size.  Will these other groups from time to time be bring in their own Desk? If so will Cat6 work for every type of desk? I know the M32/X32 spec Cat5e with bonded ethercon connectors. With copper a visiting group could use their own desk with digital stage boxes at the desk location if needed so long as enough copper channels send and return with drop snakes etc. are provided.
    I don't know the size of your venue or the normal entertainment that goes through. Be sure to think long term as what is needed now and in the future. Lighting, Stage and FOH power, Main PA, monitors, fills, the list goes on and on.
   For me I'd be happy with copper as long as enough *working* channels are provided.

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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 07:54:03 am »

Since it's a multipurpose venue and given the cost of (say) four runs of shielded CAT5e/CAT6 etc. with four Ethercons on a 2 gang plate either end is relatively small, I would specify both...
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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2019, 08:52:55 am »

Drop in a couple of CAT lines. With adaptors such as the ones this company makes (it is certainly not the only provider, just the first one that came to my mind), you can easily "generate" a 4 analog lines out of every CAT cable:

https://www.cat-core.de/en

This way, you can have both, Country and Western, if the required analog channel count is not excessive. Just make sure your CAT runs are not too long for network-based formats (300ft absolute max without passive connections in-between and solid-core cable, shorter would be better).

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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 11:08:24 am »

If possible, install a couple of big, easy-to-pull conduits. Then you're somewhat future proof. Technology moves along. --Frank
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 11:24:22 am »

Drop in a couple of CAT lines.
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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2019, 11:30:35 am »

The answer is entirely dependent on whether you will only be using the installed house console, or if you need to provision for touring consoles. Chances are if itís a touring console, they will be bringing their own snakes, either analog or digital. But there are some small groups that will bring just a console in a flight case and expect to use the house dry lines.

Do you need to build in 48-64 channels of copper from the stage to FOH. Ehh...chances are, 97% of the time you wonít need it. Having Cat6 from the stage to FOH is always a good thing to have, as they can be used for more than just audio. Make sure itís shielded though.
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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2019, 01:21:59 pm »

I am in agreement with most of the other posters - both, along with a generously large conduit (or some kind of easy-to-access tray/hook system) for snakes brought in by touring shows.  Cat 5 for the SQ and other digital consoles and the W4 as a backup. 
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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2019, 01:56:56 pm »

Since you are also a drama/dance venue, I would make sure that you have an extra copper line or two to run DMX data signals. While current DMX protocol only uses three of the five pins, I think that four wire plus shield cable would be a handy thing to have pulled from FOH to the stage.
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Re: Cat6 or analogue multicore in new build
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2019, 01:59:48 pm »

Both.
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