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Weogo Reed

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12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« on: January 28, 2019, 12:03:24 pm »

Hi Folks,

Even with lube, getting 12ga wire in a Powercon True 1 plug is snug.
Most 12ga SJO I have found is about .43" diameter.
Do you know of anything a bit smaller?

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 01:22:56 pm »

I have about 200 feet in various lengths with True1 connectors, all 12/3 SJ connecting to OA Windsor boxes.
I知 a small one man operation and have never seen an AHJ at any events I致e done. Knowing that SO is code, I知 competing with operators that use 16/3 green and orange big box extension cords and plastic power strips.
IIRC Mike Sokol has spoken with Neutrik and asked about having the True1 opened up to accept 12/3 SO and they have no interest in doing that.
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2019, 11:11:20 am »

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the comments!

I'm wondering how effective it would be put them in a vise and
ream them out with some drill bits...

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2019, 02:37:13 pm »

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the comments!

I'm wondering how effective it would be put them in a vise and
ream them out with some drill bits...

Thanks and good health,  Weogo

I took a Dremel with router bit to the larger strain relief of conventional Powercons to fit 12/3 SOOW awhile ago.



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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2019, 02:38:23 pm »

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the comments!

I'm wondering how effective it would be put them in a vise and
ream them out with some drill bits...

Thanks and good health,  Weogo


MAYBE 12ga SJO, definitely not SOOW or SEOOW.
 
I tried using a tapered 5/8 reamer on the bushings to fit the 12 SEOOW. Coming through the "top" I couldn't get past the wipe.  Inside, I did not fare much better.  The bushing spins one way, locks the other.  No joy in Mudville removing the bush either.


With 20a contacts, male and female that mate, and hot make/break, these looked to be a real upgrade from the original Powercons.  I would like to know what they were thinking when designed.  Realistically, a new screw-top/bush could make them viable in the US.
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2019, 02:39:16 pm »

I took a Dremel with router bit to the larger strain relief of conventional Powercons to fit 12/3 SOOW awhile ago.



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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2019, 02:58:26 pm »

Super successful with SJOOW 12/3. I Take the connector apart and get rid of the white strain relief and terminal assembly. Put the connector back together enough to not lock the clip ring. Sprinkle my cable generously with Gold Bond powder. Push and twist. They slide on with no issue. Then take the locking assembly off and install per usual.

SOOW... good luck doing it without removing some part of the yellow boot.

In terms of code... I've only ever heard that SJ isn't code from other techs. I was led to believe after asking a cable supplier that that info was myth. SJ  is good up to 300 volts and is equally oil resistant and heat resistant.

Hi Folks,

Even with lube, getting 12ga wire in a Powercon True 1 plug is snug.
Most 12ga SJO I have found is about .43" diameter.
Do you know of anything a bit smaller?

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2019, 03:28:35 pm »

Hi Bryan,

To clarify, on final assembly you did put the white strain relief back in place?
In the past, with large and/or multiple cables in Speakons, I have removed a bit of the strain relief for a good fit.

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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2019, 03:54:40 pm »

The white goes back in. I just find that putting the back shell on with the latch assembly on keeps the yellow boot from popping out of the back shell.  Once I get the back shell on I pull off the latching assembly and put together the connector together as Neutrik intends.

Hi Bryan,

To clarify, on final assembly you did put the white strain relief back in place?
In the past, with large and/or multiple cables in Speakons, I have removed a bit of the strain relief for a good fit.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: 12ga wire for Powercon True 1
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2019, 06:27:01 pm »

Like I said, all of my True1 cables are 12/3 SJ. No way I知 getting SO in there. They assembled fairly easily with just a bit of olive oil to get the yellow rubber seal on the cable.   

I disassembled the cap, slid the black piece on, the locking ring, the yellow rubber seal piece then reassembled that. Slid the white strain relief on and then connected the conductors. Everything then slid together with little effort.

I believe the NEC calls for extra hard service (SO) for anything that is in an area where it is  possible to receive physical damage. Like a stage where it can be walked on or rolled over by a 300# amp rack.  Hard service (SJ) can be used where physical damage is not likely. Like in a truss to power lighting etc.

I知 a one man operation and small enough that I致e never seen and AHJ. If I grow in a few years (after retiring from the day job) and take on bigger work then I know I値l have to replace my power with SO.
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