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Scott Helmke

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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2019, 09:09:51 am »

Make certain to listen to a few recordings from the era. Kick drum in traditional small-group jazz is NOT the same thing as more contemporary jazz, and DEFINITELY not like any current music.

In jazz the kick drum is used more like another tom.

I personally like the old CAD E100, from a few inches away.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2019, 09:57:11 am »

In jazz the kick drum is used more like another tom.

I personally like the old CAD E100, from a few inches away.

I love my E100 mics but don't get a chance to use them much.  I got mine after working with "Cello Man" Eugene Friesen, who carried one.
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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2019, 10:56:20 am »

Heil PR40 has always been very neutral (in a good way) for my kick drum uses.

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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2019, 11:21:33 am »

In my locker, a 421 is usually the call.  I would like to try the Beyer on the beater side though...  might try the 421 that way first.  I donít really need to buy the Beyer just for that I hope ;-)
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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2019, 02:03:53 pm »

In my locker, a 421 is usually the call.  I would like to try the Beyer on the beater side though...  might try the 421 that way first.  I donít really need to buy the Beyer just for that I hope ;-)

If we're talking about the M88, I don't think there's a situation where it's a poor choice of mic.
Sounds good, rejects off-axis well.

I also have a couple of 201s, which are a similar beast.

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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2019, 12:55:09 am »

If we're talking about the M88, I don't think there's a situation where it's a poor choice of mic.
Sounds good, rejects off-axis well.

I also have a couple of 201s, which are a similar beast.

Chris

The M201 is a great all purpose dynamic that I particularly like on the snare drum; I don't think I've been disappointed with it on any instrument.

The Beyer M88 *in* the kick drum is soooo 1980s, but so would be a Senny MD421.  Both nice mics, never intended to be inside a bass drum with a wood beater.  Early adopters of the M88 found that out.  The TG version was/is much sturdier. :)

The M88 on a jazz bass drum?  It's a little hyped on the top end but I don't think it's detrimental; and supplementing a stereo pair it could be just the thing to "anchor" the center of the drum kit image.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2019, 02:54:18 am »

The M201 is a great all purpose dynamic that I particularly like on the snare drum; I don't think I've been disappointed with it on any instrument.



One of my personal favorites as well.

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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2019, 12:16:57 pm »


"If the SM57 were a microphone, it would sound like this."


Wait.. then what is it?? :o
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2019, 03:17:15 pm »

Wait.. then what is it?? :o

An FX unit that looks like a mic..?

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Re: Jazz Kick Mic
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2019, 09:32:17 pm »

In jazz the kick drum is used more like another tom.


Question on a university jazz music exam:  What is the purpose of the bass drum in Jazz?

Answer:  To hold up the ride cymbal.

On a gig a few years ago (I was the recording mobile tech, not recording engineer or FOH) with the jazz drummer that played on a certain animated Christmas special that everyone has heard of, I was assisting with mic'ing up the stage.  The RE had worked with this drummer many times in the past, and already had his mic preferences selected, when the artist stated, "No bass drum mic.  It's too tempting."  I'm pretty sure he was concerned about FOH, not the recording when he said that, but it was obvious that this was not a negotiable point.

So, instead of the M88 that was destined for the kick, the C414-ULS that was originally going to go on the floor tom was placed about 3 feet out in front as an "ambient" mic (circled in blue).  I think the only others were a B&K 4011 on snare and a pair of Schoeps Colettes as overheads. 

It worked.

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