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Debbie Dunkley

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small shock to child in restaurant.
« on: January 08, 2019, 12:52:46 pm »

This happened in hubby's home town in the UK.
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 02:38:24 pm »

This happened in hubby's home town in the UK.
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Wow, had that been my daughter in a similar situation of neglect/negligence, the article would have read differently.  The lead-in would have been centered around dadís rampage.

Burned hands is no small shock - thatís serious stuff.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2019, 02:44:10 pm »

Wow, had that been my daughter in a similar situation of neglect/negligence, the article would have read differently.  The lead-in would have been centered around dadís rampage.

In the brief article there's no explanation as to how the girl's hands were burned by wiring supposedly not energized.  That said, even if energized there would need to be additional failures for a shock to be delivered to the victim.
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2019, 03:43:26 pm »

This happened in hubby's home town in the UK.
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So even the Brits say "electrocuted" when they really mean "electrically shocked". Sounds like management was busy knitting A$$hole covers.
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2019, 04:24:29 pm »

In the brief article there's no explanation as to how the girl's hands were burned by wiring supposedly not energized.  That said, even if energized there would need to be additional failures for a shock to be delivered to the victim.
The only thing i can think of (and something that has bit me in the ass before) is a still charged reservoir capacitor, esp. if on the primary side.
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 07:38:47 am »

In the brief article there's no explanation as to how the girl's hands were burned by wiring supposedly not energized.  That said, even if energized there would need to be additional failures for a shock to be delivered to the victim.

Looking at the article, there's a circuit board being held up by its connecting wires. Could be anything, including stored energy in capacitors as someone mentioned earlier.

Electricity here is pretty safe if everything is properly installed - you have to go out of your way (ie, have an appliance opened up, powered, and poke around inside) to get a shock. You can't even poke a screwdriver into the wall unless you manage to break the shutters.

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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 09:44:24 am »

This thread reminded me of this - somewhat related:

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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 12:28:54 pm »

For some reason I couldn't see the article when this was first posted.  I am curious what that circuit board is?  I once build a neon lamp driver that looked a little similar-if their is an oscillator running a higher than 60 Hz freq to that transformer it could easily give a painful, though relatively harmless shock-and that transformer could be thermally hot enough to cause burns-especially on a childs uncalloused hands.
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 06:03:33 pm »

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You can't even poke a screwdriver into the wall unless you manage to break the shutters.

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In my experience, most receptacles are not tamper resistant. Only new work in the past 10 years or so.



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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 08:10:22 pm »

Looking at the article, there's a circuit board being held up by its connecting wires. Could be anything, including stored energy in capacitors as someone mentioned earlier.

Electricity here is pretty safe if everything is properly installed - you have to go out of your way (ie, have an appliance opened up, powered, and poke around inside) to get a shock. You can't even poke a screwdriver into the wall unless you manage to break the shutters.

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I looked at it soon after Debbie posted.  There was no picture displayed (although that could have been the JavaScript blocker in my browser).
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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 05:59:42 pm »

In my experience, most receptacles are not tamper resistant. Only new work in the past 10 years or so.


I think Chris is in the UK, where they may be ahead of North America as far as tamper resistant outlets go.

It's hard to tell from the picture included with the story, but the circuit board reminds me of a ballast for fluorescent tubes.  Perhaps some under counter lighting?

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Re: small shock to child in restaurant.
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 04:29:28 am »

I think Chris is in the UK, where they may be ahead of North America as far as tamper resistant outlets go.
Yes BS1363 sockets were tamper-proof from the start and so unless one was damaged/modified then there should never be one without the tamper proof mechanism.

OT: But that's probably why earthed devices are more common in the UK and earth cheater devices do not really exhist as the earth pin (well for most sockets) is required for the plug to be able to be inserted into the socket.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 11:19:52 am »

I think Chris is in the UK, where they may be ahead of North America as far as tamper resistant outlets go.


Yep, I'm in the UK.
I'll do some poking around on my profile to see if I can get that to display properly.


+1 to what Daniel said. The earth/ground pin has to be half-way in before the shutters (covering L/N) open. I've tried pushing against the shutters with a screwdriver to see if they can be broken, but gave up before I managed it.


We also useCeeform, which isn't as safe, but those only get used in professional environments where everyone should know not to open the lid and poke something metallic into the holes.
[ramble on] We did once have a particularly unsafe Ceeform cable at a venue I used to work at. It was a 125A 3-phase (240v per phase) cable, so you can probably imagine it was a big one. We connected that to a distro with 9x 32A outlets.
Now, the guy that assembled this cable (and also did PAT testing around the venue) didn't believe in strain relief - the idea being that if the screws into the copper were done up properly, they should take the strain. Stupid. I think he was fired soon after this incident.
So, someone (not me) goes to connect the big cable to the distro. Picks it up by the connector, and the cable drops out. Fortunately, it wasn't energised.
There was a lot of cursing.
[ramble off]

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