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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 07:01:55 pm »

Beyonce has the transmitter in gold, must be digging it.

That would make her a Kardashian.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2018, 10:04:35 pm »

Lectrosonics Venue2 should be in the running here, as well. HHa TX with a DPA D:Facto capsule.

Venue2 is digital hybrid wireless. No Compander. Integrated talkback function. Good rack density (6ch/1U), up to 100mW TX power.

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Anybody have experience or have heard of these systems and can offer some perpectives? Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital. I'm just looking for 2 money channels for vocal. Which is superior in sound quality and noise floor? These are money channels and must be top tier. We're not worrying about RF performance or ability to network with others. I've read some reviews for Axient Digital and they're claiming that these are the best things out there. Digital 6000 systems are all over TV and big shows, I don't think its due to Sennheiser sponsorship. There must be exquisite quality to them especially with MD9235 capsules. Unless Taylor Swift, Adele, Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Pink etc are all getting great endorsement money to be using them lol.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2018, 10:20:22 pm »

The Shure Axient is only worth it if you go with the whole system. This means doubling the cost. They still have not released the Auto switching body pack yet making the system even in its entirety somewhat useless. One company I work with has a 6 pack of these and they are very nice, but without the body pack and HH units being able to auto switch yet, it is just a really expensive interface that eliminates the need for WWB.....
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2018, 11:20:52 pm »

The Shure Axient is only worth it if you go with the whole system. This means doubling the cost. They still have not released the Auto switching body pack yet making the system even in its entirety somewhat useless. One company I work with has a 6 pack of these and they are very nice, but without the body pack and HH units being able to auto switch yet, it is just a really expensive interface that eliminates the need for WWB.....

I have to humbly disagree...
The wideband tuning of the tx and rx across the entire legal spectrum has made touring life so much easier with these.
And as we run a bunch of other rf gear as well as coordinating with the local environment, there is always a need for WWB or IAS.
The 6000 gear is very nice stuff as well.

Disclaimer: I work for folks who have been Shure endorsees for many years.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2018, 11:43:16 pm »

I love the Axient Shure stuff don't get me wrong, but without the auto switching body packs it is a moot system........ The Shure Axient system has a standalone controller that acts as the antenna hub and controls the auto channel switching. It by itself is good enough to not truly need WWB provided you don't have to do crazy things like integration or coordination with other vendors and products. Yes the WWB and IAS are indispensable in that case, but for the more basic and rudimentary stuff, you can live without it. My only point being, that until Shure releases the transmitters that are auto channel switching capable, it is really just an expensive ULXD with an extra antenna distribution and coordination hardware unit.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 03:22:03 am »

SONYs new DWX wireless has auto switching body packs, quad diversity antennas and superb audio quality.

Just had a demo system in for a month, very impressive.

https://pro.sony/en_CO/products/dwx-digital-series-receivers/dwr-r03d
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 08:38:23 am »

I love the Axient Shure stuff don't get me wrong, but without the auto switching body packs it is a moot system........ The Shure Axient system has a standalone controller that acts as the antenna hub and controls the auto channel switching. It by itself is good enough to not truly need WWB provided you don't have to do crazy things like integration or coordination with other vendors and products. Yes the WWB and IAS are indispensable in that case, but for the more basic and rudimentary stuff, you can live without it. My only point being, that until Shure releases the transmitters that are auto channel switching capable, it is really just an expensive ULXD with an extra antenna distribution and coordination hardware unit.

So there's some confusion over the "Axient" name. 

Original Axient was roughly UHF-R with all the remote control and automatic frequency switching.  Very expensive by the time you bought all the parts, including the Spectrum Manager, the Showlink access points, etc.

Axient Digital has two options - at the entry level is what I'd call "UHF-D", a relatively affordable digital system that's the next step beyond ULX-D.  Great RF and audio performance, usual Shure ruggedness.  Then there's the replacement for the original analog Axient, which is the ADX remote-controllable transmitters.  Same Spectrum Manager as before, and an updated Showlink.  Both versions of Axient Digital use the same receivers, so you could have a big system with just a few money channels that can do the automatic frequency change when interference happens.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2018, 10:44:12 am »

Hi guys
Anybody have experience or have heard of these systems and can offer some perpectives? Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital. I'm just looking for 2 money channels for vocal. Which is superior in sound quality and noise floor? These are money channels and must be top tier. We're not worrying about RF performance or ability to network with others. I've read some reviews for Axient Digital and they're claiming that these are the best things out there. Digital 6000 systems are all over TV and big shows, I don't think its due to Sennheiser sponsorship. There must be exquisite quality to them especially with MD9235 capsules. Unless Taylor Swift, Adele, Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Pink etc are all getting great endorsement money to be using them lol.
I have used both systems extensively this past year, AD on a number of shows from January-April, and both with one of the artists you mention above on an 8 month tour (hint: it's the one who's money channel made the most money, ever).
Both systems are great and represent the pinnacle of performance RF engineering (so far).

A few notes on where and how they differ:

1) Tuning range: As John Sulek mentioned, the AD will tune over the full 470-616 MHz range (which is all that we will have to work with in a year or so). The D6000 receiver will tune from 470-638 MHz, but the transmitters are in two ranges: A1-A4 (470-558 MHz) and A5-A8 (550-638 MHz), so to have full range flexibility, you would need to buy four mics (or at least 4 bodies, you could save a bit and swap capsules). I had both ranges and occasionally would have to sub an A5-8 for an A1-4 when spectrum was tight (like in Australia, where you can't go below 520 MHz).

2) Someone compared AD to ULXD. They differ in a few key areas: Build quality (AD is more rugged) and diversity. AD has the same diversity scheme as UHF-R / Axient Analog, the name for which eludes me at the moment, but the short strokes is that both A&B are always on and the diversity system passes the best of both on to the RX stage (gross oversimplification, I know!). In, ULXD the diversity system is just taking A or B, whichever it deems to be the strongest signal.

3) Coordination: I would routinely run a couple of AD channels 300 KHz apart with no issues. D6000's minimum separation is recommended at 600 KHz, which I also took advantage of with no ill effects, many times. That said, two AD Tx in close proximity (like almost touching) will definitely produce some low level intermod products (at least at the high power setting we were using) while I was never able to observe that with two D6000's.

4) Noise floor: I can't really speak to this as we were using the AES outs almost exclusively.

5) Appearance: I have known some TV directors to prefer the Sennheiser mics over the Shure's for aesthetic reasons in that they tend to be a bit slimmer. That said, you obviously see both on TV all the time.

6) Monitoring: Both have 1/4" headphone jacks on the front panel (another thing AD has that ULXD doesn't). With the AD, you can monitor multiple receivers off of one jack, in one unit, provided they are networked together (this is something I had been asking both companies for for YEARS).
Visually, I found the D6000 display is a bit easier to read than the AD, but when networked, WWB is a way better program than the current WSM (there's apparently a new version of WSM coming, but launch date has so far been TBD...)

So, in terms of making a decision, both products are an excellent choice on a technical level, which means you are really left with visual and sonic preferences as the deciding factor (well, that, and the spectrum range thing I mentioned in #2).
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2018, 02:03:16 am »

I love the Axient Shure stuff don't get me wrong, but without the auto switching body packs it is a moot system........ The Shure Axient system has a standalone controller that acts as the antenna hub and controls the auto channel switching. It by itself is good enough to not truly need WWB provided you don't have to do crazy things like integration or coordination with other vendors and products. Yes the WWB and IAS are indispensable in that case, but for the more basic and rudimentary stuff, you can live without it. My only point being, that until Shure releases the transmitters that are auto channel switching capable, it is really just an expensive ULXD with an extra antenna distribution and coordination hardware unit.

Shure claims that the technology is different than ULXD and therefore better sound quality. I have not heard the Axient Digital but do have ULXD and QLXD in the inventory. They sound pretty good but obviously there's another level to it.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2018, 02:14:07 am »

Lectrosonics Venue2 should be in the running here, as well. HHa TX with a DPA D:Facto capsule.

Venue2 is digital hybrid wireless. No Compander. Integrated talkback function. Good rack density (6ch/1U), up to 100mW TX power.

Yea Lectrosonics transmitters can definitely provide up to 15volts to a capsule. Neumann capsules sound best with that much juice. DPA will require similar power too. I guess Lectrosonics are more theaters and films than live sound. I have not seen the name pops up on riders.
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