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Author Topic: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital  (Read 2784 times)

Tom Harrison

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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2018, 02:23:50 am »

I have used both systems extensively this past year, AD on a number of shows from January-April, and both with one of the artists you mention above on an 8 month tour (hint: it's the one who's money channel made the most money, ever).
Both systems are great and represent the pinnacle of performance RF engineering (so far).

A few notes on where and how they differ:

1) Tuning range: As John Sulek mentioned, the AD will tune over the full 470-616 MHz range (which is all that we will have to work with in a year or so). The D6000 receiver will tune from 470-638 MHz, but the transmitters are in two ranges: A1-A4 (470-558 MHz) and A5-A8 (550-638 MHz), so to have full range flexibility, you would need to buy four mics (or at least 4 bodies, you could save a bit and swap capsules). I had both ranges and occasionally would have to sub an A5-8 for an A1-4 when spectrum was tight (like in Australia, where you can't go below 520 MHz).

2) Someone compared AD to ULXD. They differ in a few key areas: Build quality (AD is more rugged) and diversity. AD has the same diversity scheme as UHF-R / Axient Analog, the name for which eludes me at the moment, but the short strokes is that both A&B are always on and the diversity system passes the best of both on to the RX stage (gross oversimplification, I know!). In, ULXD the diversity system is just taking A or B, whichever it deems to be the strongest signal.

3) Coordination: I would routinely run a couple of AD channels 300 KHz apart with no issues. D6000's minimum separation is recommended at 600 KHz, which I also took advantage of with no ill effects, many times. That said, two AD Tx in close proximity (like almost touching) will definitely produce some low level intermod products (at least at the high power setting we were using) while I was never able to observe that with two D6000's.

4) Noise floor: I can't really speak to this as we were using the AES outs almost exclusively.

5) Appearance: I have known some TV directors to prefer the Sennheiser mics over the Shure's for aesthetic reasons in that they tend to be a bit slimmer. That said, you obviously see both on TV all the time.

6) Monitoring: Both have 1/4" headphone jacks on the front panel (another thing AD has that ULXD doesn't). With the AD, you can monitor multiple receivers off of one jack, in one unit, provided they are networked together (this is something I had been asking both companies for for YEARS).
Visually, I found the D6000 display is a bit easier to read than the AD, but when networked, WWB is a way better program than the current WSM (there's apparently a new version of WSM coming, but launch date has so far been TBD...)

So, in terms of making a decision, both products are an excellent choice on a technical level, which means you are really left with visual and sonic preferences as the deciding factor (well, that, and the spectrum range thing I mentioned in #2).

Sonic preferences is definitely a factor. Which system do you like to listen to? Which capsules do you prefer? I like KK204/205 but they're not meant for loud stages and do require a bunch of EQ lift to cut through. KSM9 is nice, similar sound to KK204, a lil more feedback resistant. DPA d:facto is very nice with very controlled proximity effect. MD9235 is nice and cuts through a busy mix with ease due to heavily EQ'ed capsule.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2018, 08:55:17 am »

I guess Lectrosonics are more theaters and films than live sound. I have not seen the name pops up on riders.

Lectrosonics is huge with location recording and ENG, but very rare in live music.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2018, 12:24:09 pm »

Lectrosonics is huge with location recording and ENG, but very rare in live music.
I think that you will see that change over the next couple of years. The Duet IEM system is definitely making some inroads and I think that the mic systems will follow. As well, the R400a and plug-on transmitter are quite common in the system tuning set-ups of many live sound kits.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2018, 07:30:58 pm »

Lectrosonics is working hard to push into the live event market. The company already has huge market penetration into film & broadcast for several good reasons:

Multiple receiver options (rack, desktop, slot-mount, and portable battery powered models) that can be used with any of the TX models. This gives a lot of flexibility for rentals.

Currently 7 different TX options including handheld, plug-on and five belt packs including the ridiculously small SSM TX. Most have more TX power (up to 100mW on most current wideband units, up to 250mW on older stuff) than other systems on the market. The TX are all made out of billet aluminum, too. Tough.

Superior tracking filters to filter out unwanted signals. When combined with the higher TX power you don't need to frequency hop as often.

As Ike mentions, the Lectro stuff can be used for SMAART measurement, as well, because there are no companders in the signal chain. This is true of all the current Lectrosonics UHF TX and RX.

I work in Lectro Wireless Designer software frequently and have nothing but nice things to say about it.

I work with Lectrosonics frequently, and there are demo units available if anyone needs to investigate further.

I think that you will see that change over the next couple of years. The Duet IEM system is definitely making some inroads and I think that the mic systems will follow. As well, the R400a and plug-on transmitter are quite common in the system tuning set-ups of many live sound kits.

Lectrosonics is huge with location recording and ENG, but very rare in live music.

Yea Lectrosonics transmitters can definitely provide up to 15volts to a capsule. Neumann capsules sound best with that much juice. DPA will require similar power too. I guess Lectrosonics are more theaters and films than live sound. I have not seen the name pops up on riders.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 09:31:13 pm »

Lectrosonics is huge with location recording and ENG, but very rare in live music.
They're also doing quite well in the theater market, both on Broadway and up here in Canada.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2018, 10:12:00 pm »

I'm patiently waiting for a new VENUE series that has receivers that do the full 470-638 range, with transmitters to match, along with Dante output. I'm sure it'll come along.
I do like that the Lectro HH transmitters can use Shure (and other) capsules.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2018, 01:59:18 am »

I'm patiently waiting for a new VENUE series that has receivers that do the full 470-638 range, with transmitters to match, along with Dante output. I'm sure it'll come along.
I do like that the Lectro HH transmitters can use Shure (and other) capsules.

For some reasons they never tried to do AES output. Dante will probably come along with AES in a single receiver.
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2019, 03:46:49 pm »

I'm patiently waiting for a new VENUE series that has receivers that do the full 470-638 range, with transmitters to match, along with Dante output. I'm sure it'll come along.
I do like that the Lectro HH transmitters can use Shure (and other) capsules.
Looks like my wish has come true.
https://www.lectrosonics.com/US/lectrosonics-introduces-the-d-squared-digital-wireless-microphone-system.html

The 3 different modes of diversity are impressive, along with the talkback feature.
Pricing looks to be similar to Shure Axient. If not looking to fulfill riders, would the Lectro be a better choice than Axient, in terms of RF performance?
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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2019, 09:37:58 pm »

Looks like my wish has come true.
https://www.lectrosonics.com/US/lectrosonics-introduces-the-d-squared-digital-wireless-microphone-system.html

The 3 different modes of diversity are impressive, along with the talkback feature.
Pricing looks to be similar to Shure Axient. If not looking to fulfill riders, would the Lectro be a better choice than Axient, in terms of RF performance?

It's not easy to generalize such a comparison between a brand new product and another that is field proven in large scale deployments over a couple of years.

Lectro's reputation is well-earned as top tier, though not flawless (what is?).  It's likely to be a home run.

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Re: Sennheiser Digital 6000 vs Shure Axient Digital
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2019, 04:34:09 am »

It's not easy to generalize such a comparison between a brand new product and another that is field proven in large scale deployments over a couple of years.
Not easy, of course. I try to ask the hard questions.
I'd love to do the analysis myself, but alas I am not yet at that level to determine RF performance quantitatively!
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