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Author Topic: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?  (Read 6354 times)

Roland Clarke

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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2019, 01:44:32 pm »

Added a word, John, hope you don't mind.  One needs to know a DigiCo better than one knows an ex's bad habits...

At a show a year or so ago I had a BE complain extensively about Avid consoles in toto, but based on my perception of the results, his having a non-Avid console wouldn't have helped what came out of the PA system.

The tour console was Profile.  Presumably he had the clout to insist on the Midas or DigiCo or whatever it was he really wanted but for whatever reason did not get the desk he preferred.

Industry is full of those, at whatever level. 😁
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2019, 01:47:05 pm »


Digico is a nightmare if the engineer isn't familiar with them. 

JF

I took the Digico master class last year and we spent ten hours learning how to set up all the different routing and control options available on the regular SD series consoles.

We never even mixed anything.

The mind boggles.
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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2019, 02:52:36 pm »

I took the Digico master class last year and we spent ten hours learning how to set up all the different routing and control options available on the regular SD series consoles.

We never even mixed anything.

The mind boggles.

I think the assumption is the mixing engineer knows how to mix. ; )

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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2019, 03:11:33 pm »

Perhaps.  Iíve mixed on Digico s from time to time.  Fortunately Iíve always had someone to babysit that knew the routing so could put everything where I needed it.  Is it just me or does the software resemble the SAW studio stuff?  I know itís not the same, but more than once Iíve run into the dreaded screen recalibration needed scenario.  The compressors are ok, the eq is decent, (like dynamic eq, in my view more useful than multiband, but itís not necessary on every channel,) just think the fx are really poor.  I think the Yamaha pm 10 is really a much better solution, but Iím biased.  The fx onboard are where we should be and some of the mediocre stuff out their just isnít good enough bearing in mind weíve had good digital fx for 30 years.
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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2019, 03:24:35 pm »

Digico is a nightmare if the engineer isn't familiar with them. 

DiGiCo's SD series makes a lot of choices that push the console fairly far down the ease-of-use to flexibility continuum, but the same could be said for line arrays as well (also a nightmare to deploy if the engineer isn't familiar with them, etc.). They are absolutely a tool you need to learn, but isn't that true of most of the really powerful tools we all use on a day-to-day basis, like EQ and dynamics?

I like them because they allow me to easily setup my show the way I want it to be setup, as opposed to how some console designer thinks it should be setup, with fewer of the gotchas of some other consoles (anyone ever accidentally setup a pre-fader group on a Vi console? It makes you looks like an idiot).

Except the FX. The DiGiCo reverb is...perfunctory.

-Russ
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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2019, 04:16:31 pm »

I work in a classical concert house, we also have a lot of jazz/world music shows. The Vi's have done their job well past the last ten years, but are not reliable these days. The options for two new console systems are: SD7 Quantum / PM10 / S6L. S6L is not the first choice, because in Europe it is not on many riders. My question is: have there been any changes on the SD7 surface since it's release in 2007? What is the better option for FOH-babysitting in your opinion?

Classical: PM10
Pop/Rock: S6L

Thatís the Short answer for me. Avid is on many riders, although mostly Profile, but if you tell them you got the S6L I donít think many will complain.

Probably the 24c surface will be enough, leaves money for the waves Server youíll need for riders and takes up less space in the audience for when the desk is pulled out of the booth.
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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2019, 08:37:32 pm »

I took the Digico master class last year and we spent ten hours learning how to set up all the different routing and control options available on the regular SD series consoles.

We never even mixed anything.

The mind boggles.


I felt the same way. The Digico class needs to be about 3 days long. And it doesn't help any that all the Digico instructors approaches the class as if everyone already knows how the Digico consoles are set up and run.
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Re: S6L vs. PM10 vs. SD7 [or whatever digicos comp is] cost?
« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2019, 08:39:17 pm »

Classical: PM10/CL5
Pop/Rock: S6L
Broadway: Digico

Thatís the Short answer for me. Avid is on many riders, although mostly Profile, but if you tell them you got the S6L I donít think many will complain.

Probably the 24c surface will be enough, leaves money for the waves Server youíll need for riders and takes up less space in the audience for when the desk is pulled out of the booth.


Added some extra options there for you.  ;)
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