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Al Rettich

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Drum vocal
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:26:34 am »

Question for all those out there.. My artist has decided to sing a couple songs behind a drum kit, and he's a whaler.. Snare drum is bleeding bad. Anyone else have this problem? if so, what did you do?
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Miguel Dahl

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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 10:58:24 am »

Question for all those out there.. My artist has decided to sing a couple songs behind a drum kit, and he's a whaler.. Snare drum is bleeding bad. Anyone else have this problem? if so, what did you do?

I usually stick an OM7 in the drummers face. Mic stand high up, the boom pointed down, and mic pointed towards his face so he still have good room to play. Butt of the mic usually ends up pointing somewhat towards the highhat.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 11:18:57 am »

Hi Al,

Check out the differoid Crown CM311A.
Singer has to have lips to the grill to work.

Drum mute rings allow a Drummer to wail on the drums and
at the same time have a little lower stage volume.
Others in the band might appreciate this...

Good health,  Weogo
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 11:25:48 am »

I usually will start with a Shure beta 56A. Primarily because of the small form factor and right-angle cable connection, but also because the super-c pattern seems to reject snare and hat pretty well.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 11:41:53 am »

I've had good luck with the AKG D40.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 12:09:15 pm »

Hi Al,

Check out the differoid Crown CM311A.
Singer has to have lips to the grill to work.

Drum mute rings allow a Drummer to wail on the drums and
at the same time have a little lower stage volume.
Others in the band might appreciate this...

Good health,  Weogo

That's the mic I wish all drummers used. Good off axis rejection and as a bonus, it sounds great. Only drawback is that it costs a lot more than a 58 and some people don't like headsets.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 12:24:20 pm »

Hi Al,

Check out the differoid Crown CM311A.
Singer has to have lips to the grill to work.

Or try to find a used Crown CM-310A if an hand held is preferred.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 12:33:59 pm »

Or try to find a used Crown CM-310A if an hand held is preferred.
I have a few Crown CM310A and I might be willing to part with one. If the op is interested he can pm me.
I have used these for singing drummers and they are quite effective. The mic does require the user to understand how to properly use the mic or it will reject his voice as much as it will the drums. The mic is a condenser that requires phantom and has a differoid pattern.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 12:44:59 pm »

I just checked eBay and someone claims to have a new (new old stock?) original model CM310. Listed for under 140.
Mine are the “A” model. I’m not sure what the difference is.
The A model is newer so Crown must have made some change to the design.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 04:15:33 pm »

If it's a tight budget (even if it's not) look at the Samson Q8. I have a couple now and they are a suprisingly good supercardioid
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 11:52:19 pm »

I like the Heil PR35 for drummers. Seems to reject the drums pretty good.



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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2018, 09:11:46 am »

EV N/D967 and plenty of EQ. The lower-mid can get quite excessive when used up close, but the flat grille means people are invited to stay right on top of the mic.
Rejection is excellent.

Another alternative is to find a mic where the bleed sounds good.

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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2018, 12:28:23 pm »

I’ve been using the new Electro-Voice ND46 on singing drummers to good effect. The head swivels to the side making for a compact mic that won’t get in the way of their drum sticks and the large diaphragm sounds great on vocals. 

The supercardioid mic has great rejection from the sides. I have not had a problem with snare drum bleed. It’s also a great guitar amp mic and general instrument mic. I take a few to every gig.

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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2018, 12:58:06 pm »

Jumping on this supercardioid bandwagon, I've used an sE Electronics V7 for drummer vocals.  Nice, tight pattern with good rejection.  It has a bit more pronounced proximity effect than an SM58 but nothing that some EQ can't tame.  And it's relatively inexpensive. 
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2018, 02:43:08 pm »

I’ve been using the new Electro-Voice ND46 on singing drummers to good effect. The head swivels to the side making for a compact mic that won’t get in the way of their drum sticks and the large diaphragm sounds great on vocals. 

The supercardioid mic has great rejection from the sides. I have not had a problem with snare drum bleed. It’s also a great guitar amp mic and general instrument mic. I take a few to every gig.

Craig

I have some of the ND408 and ND468 that are from the Telex era.
How does the ND46 compare to the old models?
I’m not sure if the old models were considered to be large diaphragm.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2018, 05:38:57 pm »

I usually will start with a Shure beta 56A.

One more vote for Beta 56A.  If not that, Telefunken M80SH.

I've asked my contact at sE Electronics about a "pistol-style" version of the V7, but nothing has yet developed on that.

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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2018, 05:14:30 am »

As Michael mentioned, I also start with a Shure Beta56 as it is small and right angled it gets in tight and the super-cardioid pattern seems to work well if the nulls are facing the hats and snare.
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Re: Drum vocal
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2018, 02:06:41 pm »

Been back and forth with this over the years with everything from OM11 to SM57 chasing isolation.

Lately I've moved the other way and use a d:facto vocal mic on drums. Yes, it has bleed, but it sounds good so I find it a lot easier to live with as long as I don't compress that mic too much.
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