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Eileen Krause

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Small church audio suggestions
« on: November 27, 2018, 03:04:48 pm »

 Hi Friends,
I got great help from this community for another church project a couple years back and so here I am again looking for ideas, input.
Here's the basics:

--Church is a historic 1890's/landmark building that required major structural, foundation work in order to preserve it and continue to use it.
-- We recently completed an 8 year 1.5M capital campaign and restoration that stretched the pockets of us 300 members.
 -- Church service is in the round.   Readings (lay people) and sermon (pastor) are done at the lectern position.
 -- Church sanctuary dimensions=  50' by 44'
-- There is no"worship" band or mic'd singers.  Small choir- 10 people, voices carry quite well in the space.
-- For the last 10 years we have done fine not mic'ing the pastor during the service at the altar.  Because service is in the round--  Pastor is fairly close to all the pews and her voice carries quite well.  But we now have lots and lots of children and so our 9:00 service is much "noisier" and so a lav mic for the pastor- for reinforcement would be good.
-- Note: Pastor will not wear a headset- so must use lav. 

--  Currently we have Shure lectern mic and we have two  EV  EVID 6.2 speakers hung on wooden beam above the lectern (see picture) and they are back to back, pointing east and west and "somewhat" downward towards the pews.  They are mounted @ 15' high.
 
-- This has worked well for the lay readings and sermon.  Actually the pastor could orate/project enough for sermon even without the mic. But the mic offers "support"
and is necessary for shy lay readers who mumble..  It's also quite transparent to the listeners because the sound "feels" like it is coming from where the person speaking is.

-- For power I have used (NO LAUGHING now--please) a Yamaha 6 channel powered mixer.
This gave me the flexibility to use it for youth group in the parish hall when they have karaoke or band practice ( I have 2 Yamaha 12" speaker cabs on sticks in the hall)  This thing has been indestructible- 13 years of being banged around and abused and still works.

-- BUT NOW that the church is renovated- I want to upgrade/install a system.  We have consistent packed room and lots of kid noise etc during early service- so that is problem now.  (a lively church is a GOOD problem!)

-- More of the members are now hard of hearing and so intelligibilty is key-- and down the road we may want to do hearing assistance in the sanctuary.

--The system must be set and forget.  There is no tech team every Sunday-  the pastor needs to turn it on and turn on her wireless pack and go.

-- The system cannot "interfere" visually with the architecture.

So-- I'm thinking along lines of a QSC power amp, eq and a simple 6 channel analog mixer-  but keep going in circles regarding speakers-- placement..  what and where to place-   Service in the round is tricky.
I appreciate ideas-- please be gentle as I'm a willing listener and appreciate learning from those who have experience in smaller scale projects like this.
Thanks in advance.     I will post picture and dimensions too.
 
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2018, 03:07:38 pm »

 Here's picture of sanctuary and quick dimensions.  thanks.
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2018, 08:19:14 am »

I would consider a matched pair of the EVID on the left to allow me to reduce the level on the right.  Providing even coverage.  I would consider a digital mixer like the Midas  Air for less than 900.  Its scene setup would allow you recall and give you channel EQ,  Dynamics control.  Control by tablet.  Load up an Amazon Fire tablet with Mixing station configured to easly control.
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2018, 05:23:30 pm »

Alternatively, if you wanted to upgrade the new Danley Mini-180 looks like a good fit.
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 11:48:56 am »

Jerome,
Thank you so much for the input.  I had considered matching pair on the other side.  Was second guessing myself- thinking how it could it be so simple!  The digital mixer idea is something I'm still weighing out. While it would be great for me-- 
  The system is not monitored by anyone on Sundays... and keeping it simple is essential.  Usher turns on the rack and the lectern mic knob volume level is clearly marked etc.. thanks again for input!
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 11:51:27 am »

Alternatively, if you wanted to upgrade the new Danley Mini-180 looks like a good fit.
Nathan,
Wow..those look amazing.  Depending on price point they look like they could be a great solution.   The service in the round is an interesting challenge! Thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2018, 01:18:02 pm »

Nothing wrong with a powered mixer if it meets your needs.  A lot to be said for keeping things simple.  My concern would be if your mixer could drive 2 x 4 ohm loads.  The Mini-180 is a 4 ohm box.  What model mixer are you running?
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2018, 04:22:47 pm »

Nothing wrong with a powered mixer if it meets your needs.  A lot to be said for keeping things simple.  My concern would be if your mixer could drive 2 x 4 ohm loads.  The Mini-180 is a 4 ohm box.  What model mixer are you running?

Good point, I think I'd be under the assumption it would be a bit more involved (just a bit) of an install than 'put speakers on the wall'

Nathan,
Wow..those look amazing.  Depending on price point they look like they could be a great solution.   The service in the round is an interesting challenge! Thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated

Message Mike Pyle or me or post a thing in the marketplace saying "WTB: Danley Mini-180"
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2018, 11:32:29 am »

Thanks for this feedback.  I've been under the weather and now it's Xmas pageant time - I will return to this after I recover from the chaos.  Your input has not gone unread. TY.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2018, 03:48:41 pm »

Thanks for this feedback.  I've been under the weather and now it's Xmas pageant time - I will return to this after I recover from the chaos.  Your input has not gone unread. TY.

Good deal, good luck, Godspeed.
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2019, 04:55:04 pm »

I would consider a matched pair of the EVID on the left to allow me to reduce the level on the right.  Providing even coverage.  I would consider a digital mixer like the Midas  Air for less than 900.  Its scene setup would allow you recall and give you channel EQ,  Dynamics control.  Control by tablet.  Load up an Amazon Fire tablet with Mixing station configured to easly control.

I am back on this project. I am seriously considering this option, looks budget friendly and most importantly gives nice even coverage. (adding 2 EVID 6.2 on the left side)  So I would be running 4 speakers- 
What power amp suggestions would folks have?
As for mixer- to start with I would like to continue using small Mackie analog mixer that I have as we just need lectern mic and pastor lav (or headset).
btw-- I Appreciate the Danley idea- I know Danley is awesome gear but $$ wise not my best option.
Thanks again for letting me bounce this out here.

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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 03:01:29 pm »

Eileen,

Power Amps I would recommend in no particular order are: Crown xti2K, Yamaha PX5, and QSC PLX 1802.  All of these should last a long time and be maintenance free. They aren't the cheapest options, probably all around $500-$600. But you will get what you pay for in audio equipment; almost always.


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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2019, 02:11:09 pm »

Eileen,

Power Amps I would recommend in no particular order are: Crown xti2K, Yamaha PX5, and QSC PLX 1802.  All of these should last a long time and be maintenance free. They aren't the cheapest options, probably all around $500-$600. But you will get what you pay for in audio equipment; almost always.


Scott
Thanks for the suggestions Scott. I'm expecting to pay up to $550 for amp.
I want reliability and also want best match to run the 4 EVID 6.2 speakers.
Thanks again for taking the time to offer options.  I'll check specs etc.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2019, 12:02:57 pm »

I want reliability and also want best match to run the 4 EVID 6.2 speakers.

I ran sound for a HOW with all Yamaha PX series amps (powering Martin boxes) and they were quiet, ran cool and never hiccuped.  Highly recommended for an install.

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2019, 02:54:36 pm »

The list of amp choices could go on and on but from the list Scott posted I would go with either the Crown XTI or the Yamaha PX5. Both of those have on board processing that will give you EQ, high pass filter and limiting.

The Yamaha you can program from the front panel, the Crown you need to connect to a computer running Band Manager to fully program it.
Once the amps are programmed, lock the front panels so no  helpful fingers can make adjustments.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 01:59:56 am »

EV's amplifier line is Dynacord. They have amps with a DSP front end and a model that will fit your budget. The Dynacord L-1300. I believe it even has DSP presets for the EVID speakers. The amps will drive a 2Ω load if you change something up down the road.

I've got one sitting here for an install that I haven't played with, yet. Nice unit, though.

Thanks for the suggestions Scott. I'm expecting to pay up to $550 for amp.
I want reliability and also want best match to run the 4 EVID 6.2 speakers.
Thanks again for taking the time to offer options.  I'll check specs etc.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 09:59:07 pm »


The Yamaha you can program from the front panel, the Crown you need to connect to a computer running Band Manager to fully program it.
Once the amps are programmed, lock the front panels so no  helpful fingers can make adjustments.

Thanks for pointing me to the Yamaha.  I do prefer front panel programming ability..  and yes indeed - keeping "helpful" fingers off system is essential. As I mentioned upstream, no one will be monitoring the system every Sunday. Needs to be set and forget.  Lectern mic and pastor lav mic for spoken word support.  Levels shouldn't change week to week.
Thanks for all the friendly feedback.
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Re: Small church audio suggestions
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 10:15:14 pm »

EV's amplifier line is Dynacord. They have amps with a DSP front end and a model that will fit your budget. The Dynacord L-1300. I believe it even has DSP presets for the EVID speakers. The amps will drive a 2Ω load if you change something up down the road.

I've got one sitting here for an install that I haven't played with, yet. Nice unit, though.
Hi Tim,
interesting.  I'll look in to Dynacord.  I think I have a connection with EV source.. I'll check it out. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 10:39:48 pm »

I'm an EV dealer, amongst other things.


Hi Tim,
interesting.  I'll look in to Dynacord.  I think I have a connection with EV source.. I'll check it out.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 11:03:23 pm »

Hi Tim,
interesting.  I'll look in to Dynacord.  I think I have a connection with EV source.. I'll check it out.

With the EV/Dynacord you can do basic functions on the front panel to dig deeper you need to the download the Dynacord MARC software, it only runs on 64 bit computers.

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 04:10:07 pm »

With the EV/Dynacord you can do basic functions on the front panel to dig deeper you need to the download the Dynacord MARC software, it only runs on 64 bit computers.
Great info. Good to know.  Thanks Mike.   
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