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Luke Geis

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Re: Widely-Spaced Figure 8 Pair?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 07:19:34 pm »

I had the joy once of having an opera singer ( a real one ) grace my stage. She sang so loud it filled the room and made stuff vibrate!!!!! If only every person that calls themselves a singer had to live to that kind of standard! Imagine a singer who could sing loud enough to nearly beat a band without any kind of PA!

I'm glad to hear that the choir can belt it out and that a simple recording setup works well. Less is truly more and it really helps when the talent is truly talented!!!
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Jean-Pierre Coetzee

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Re: Widely-Spaced Figure 8 Pair?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 12:21:46 pm »

Wow, hadn't considered M/S... no idea why.  Could be a nice solution.  Would still have the audience issues on the center mic, but M/S could work nicely.  To the other post from Dave-- the reflection guards behind a figure-8 is actually something I had considered, but would also agree that audience would still be too much a part of those mic's to use as any meaningful part of the mix.  Not ruling it out, though.

As far as hypercard's-- that is also a good option-- just would lose some low end at those distances-- could be a little thin-- just not sure.  But would cut down on the audience.

Thanks for the ideas, all-- dress rehearsal is Tuesday, when I will hopefully have enough time to try all of these ideas.  Though I fully expect to have more restrictions communicated at the rehearsal... just got word from they guy who evaluates physical setup and licensing for the group-- he wants to put our heads together to get the ideal physical setup at the event.  That is code for "more restrictions coming"...  heh heh.

Jean-Pierre-- hadn't heard your thoughts yet-- would welcome them.

Sorry man had a killer week myself, 9 Piece string with 60 person choir with a full band and 9 Vocals on stage for a Christmas Concert. Was a fun experience but taxing as you can imagine.

Would likely have went with some directional mics quite high up in the end, I mean the inverse square law applies in both the horizontal and vertical planes.

I have always been wanting a reason to try an M/S pair live but never actually bothered since the biggest benefit is the ability to widen the stereo field later if need be and have never really felt that I need that, having a setup like that that is co-incident could be fun though. Ran XY on drums this weekend to see how things go and was relatively impressed, that's to say until I brought up the choir mics and the kit was just as loud in them. so ended up trying to fight phase issues anyway.
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Jerome Malsack

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Re: Widely-Spaced Figure 8 Pair?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2018, 01:36:37 pm »

I have come across another stereo technique to look at.  Faukner.   Two figure eights.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/TonyFaulknerPhasedArray01Engl.pdf
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Re: Widely-Spaced Figure 8 Pair?
« Reply #13 on: Today at 01:08:24 pm »

Sorry man had a killer week myself, 9 Piece string with 60 person choir with a full band and 9 Vocals on stage for a Christmas Concert. Was a fun experience but taxing as you can imagine.

Would likely have went with some directional mics quite high up in the end, I mean the inverse square law applies in both the horizontal and vertical planes.

I have always been wanting a reason to try an M/S pair live but never actually bothered since the biggest benefit is the ability to widen the stereo field later if need be and have never really felt that I need that, having a setup like that that is co-incident could be fun though. Ran XY on drums this weekend to see how things go and was relatively impressed, that's to say until I brought up the choir mics and the kit was just as loud in them. so ended up trying to fight phase issues anyway.

So in the end, what worked remarkably well was the 3 spaced mics.  Only used the side (from m/s) very slightly.  The outriggers with the mid mic was very big stereo with good center. And phase stayed clean in mono.  Still had some memorable audience contributions near the outriggers— but that was expected give where the mics had to be.  Choir was just great— and youth choir was amazing.  Had to leave more headroom than needed because the audience clapping would clip if not.  All and all, though, it turned out well.

Many thanks to all for the input leading up.
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