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Tim Hite

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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2018, 03:38:22 pm »

Then NXL's are designed to array vertically.

They have 30ºv x 100ºh coverage that can easily be doubled to 60ºx100º. The horns are canted down 25º inside the boxes, so you stack the second one upside down on top of the first box.


How well do the nxl’s array ?  Or the JTR’s for that matter...
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2018, 03:57:06 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

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So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR – 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 – 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N – 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 – 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 – 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T – 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T – 76.3dB
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris
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Douglas R. Allen

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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2018, 04:21:57 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

Begin Peter's comments >>
So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR – 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 – 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N – 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 – 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 – 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T – 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T – 76.3dB
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris

""  -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M    ""  50 Meters is of course more than 150 feet.  I would think a box like a IG4T didn't have that kind of throw in mind nor is it in the price range of some of these boxes. A Single Vio 210 is around $4200 so 4 would be $16,800 ( Full Compass prices https://www.fullcompass.com/prod/543810-db-technologies-vio-l210-white-2-way-active-line-array-module-white?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuZywm5rD3gIV0wOGCh3vcwkcEAkYASABEgKo4vD_BwE )

Handy information none the less.

Douglas R. Allen
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2018, 05:36:38 pm »

Zero experience with the NXL-24, but I had the 3TX in both 60 and 90 degrees.
Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.
Plus, the bms 4593 in the 3TX undoubtedly outruns the CD in the rcf.

The NXL 100x30 pattern makes sense to me used singly, and we see happy campers that way.
But I can't see why I would want to array vertically for 100x60 except in pretty unusual situations.
That makes a seven foot tall stack, with maybe the need to tilt.......I don't get it.....just me I guess...

If i was going to array the 3TX, I'd probably tight pack the 60 degree (with maybe a little splay).
The cones would couple well, and you'd probably get about 100 to 110 degree coverage..
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2018, 06:37:56 pm »

Zero experience with the NXL-24, but I had the 3TX in both 60 and 90 degrees.
Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.
Plus, the bms 4593 in the 3TX undoubtedly outruns the CD in the rcf.

The NXL 100x30 pattern makes sense to me used singly, and we see happy campers that way.
But I can't see why I would want to array vertically for 100x60 except in pretty unusual situations.
That makes a seven foot tall stack, with maybe the need to tilt.......I don't get it.....just me I guess...

If i was going to array the 3TX, I'd probably tight pack the 60 degree (with maybe a little splay).
The cones would couple well, and you'd probably get about 100 to 110 degree coverage..

To me the IG3T is closer to the 3tx. (3 inch voice coil horn driver with 2 - 10 inch woofers ).   http://www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/ingenia/ingenia-ig3t/   I almost purchased them but liked the lighter IG4T box.  When coupled the IG line has digital steering in the vertical plane.  I thought the NXL line did as well but didn't research them.   Although I'm sure the NXL is a step up from the IG line on paper the IG4T has a larger horn driver and 1 DB more output. They should be close regardless.    Douglas R. Allen
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 08:35:50 pm »

Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.


FWIW, JTR says that the Xmax on the 10" woofers in the 3TX is 8mm each way, so those would be some pretty impressive 6" drivers...
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 10:58:49 pm »

Thanks for the replies.
No interest in the db tech, and no use case where I would array of these boxes.
For gigs that big, I rent sound as I need to focus on my performance.

So the insight I'm still hoping for is pair of rcf vs pair of jtr.
These are what I have available.

Thanks!
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2018, 10:44:38 am »

It's probably a wash on the SQ. If your subs are powered, grab the NXL, if you have to take an amp rack already, grab the JTR.



Thanks for the replies.
No interest in the db tech, and no use case where I would array of these boxes.
For gigs that big, I rent sound as I need to focus on my performance.

So the insight I'm still hoping for is pair of rcf vs pair of jtr.
These are what I have available.

Thanks!
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Peter Morris

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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2018, 06:58:14 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

Begin Peter's comments >>
So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR – 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR – 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 – 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N – 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 – 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 – 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T – 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T – 76.3dB
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris

FWIW - I have T12's, T8's, TT25A MK2 & IG4T's in our inventrory and what you have estimated with ease Focus seems about right.

I also have a double 10" which is similar to the JTS - it uses a better quality BMS driver (4594HE) and unlike the JTR it uses a relatively low Xmax high efficiency 10". Its designed to be crossed at 110 - 120 Hz and used with a double 18".  In that configuration I would say it goes harder than the TT25A + Sub

All of the RCF & dB boxes you listed use FIR filters and sound great including the new RCF TT25a MK2.   I noticed a step up in clarity when RCF added the FIR phase to their boxes (we had the TT MK1's).  The NXL24 does not have this technology so I suspect it may not sound as good as some of the others, but I have not heard it.
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