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Jay Marr

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RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« on: November 05, 2018, 07:28:45 pm »

Has anyone had the pleasure of working with both of these boxes and can comment on which they prefer?

Use would be for rock/cover band, usually over a JBL SRX728 (or two 718 subs).  So one top to a dual 18" bottom.
300-500 person rooms.

Curious if anyone has opinions on differences in regards to clarity, headroom (JTR Driven by iTech4k...or 6k if needed), dispersion, etc.?

Are they night and day different?  If you had to chose, is it an easy choice (and why)?
Let's assume these are your only 2 options and the cost is extremely close.

Thanks for any insight/opinions.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 11:42:47 pm »

Don't know the JTR, but the NXL24 isn't going to produce enough oomph for a rockband., so for me the choice would be easy.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 11:45:12 pm by Geert Friedhof »
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 03:48:23 am »

Don't know the JTR, but the NXL24 isn't going to produce enough oomph for a rockband., so for me the choice would be easy.

Well, define, "enough oomph". He hasn't indicated how loudly he usually runs his shows. I run rock/cover bands and mostly keep my levels between 95 and 105dB. Either speaker would suffice in that case. When I get into larger rooms, I simply use delay stacks.

To the OP...I own another NX series model, the NX 45-A, and they do indeed sound crystal clear. (I have a few paragraphs in the Product Review forum on them.) But then, the 45's have larger vc's than the 24's.

I have also used home-made speakers that utilized the same BMS coaxial horn drivers as the Noesis 3TX. They also sound amazingly clean.

Both speakers will certainly make you smile at moderate volumes. But like Geert has indicated, where the differences may lie is at the hotter end of the level meter. When pushed to their limit, the BMS coaxial drivers will probably stay cleaner and more natural sounding. Larger voice coils generally sound/perform better when stressed. You may discover this performance difference in the heat of the night sometime while doing outdoor work. Again, depending on whether or not you are a slave-driver toward your system.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 08:51:15 am »

A few of the members on this board have the db tech ig4t which is similar to the nxl24 and have given great reviews.

I've used the ig and they sound great if used with subs and have really good clarity.  From what I have heard, the nxl24 has a slight edge in sound but that is subjective.

Going off what Geert said, comparing the ig4t to something like a RCF tt2a (standard speaker design), there is a different feel.  The tt has a bigger overall sound and a good amount of punch more (it should for the price and design) and the ig has a softer sound but still goes loud with plenty of detail. Dare I say the Ig has more warmth but less depth and dimension? I have used them with rock bands and they sounded great (thanks Nate Zifra).

Doubled up, the ig or nxl24 would be a scary thing. Overall I prefer the tt but there are also some areas where I prefer the ig4t.  These columns sound very good.

If you are used to a standard speaker design, the columns do have a different feel.  I have not heard the JTR but I'd really like to.

I'm not sure what you've been using but the jtr or nxl24 would be big improvement over your standard k, kw, prx, srx, etc.

Sorry if my post goes off topic, I was just offering my experience with one of the type of speakers your are asking about. 
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 02:09:50 pm »

I have not used the NXL24 but I do have a pair of 3TX. They are very clear & go very loud - my biggest gigs have had them just flicking the -20 db light on a Crown XTI6002. I do mostly DJ/Dance Music shows so I imagine they would be even louder for R&R. I get compliments every time I use them out on how clear and great they sound.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 10:25:58 pm »

Don't know the JTR, but the NXL24 isn't going to produce enough oomph for a rockband., so for me the choice would be easy.
Keep in mind..rock cover band.
I have some NXL24s today and over srx728s, the have more oomph than I'll ever need for my indoor gigs.

I'm looking for another set of tops for when I need 2 systems on one day. Debating one set of JTRs, but also maybe 2 sets and sell the NXL24s.
Based on timing, I may not be able to buy one pair of JTRs and compare.  I may need to sell te NXLs first.

Anyway, still hoping someone has heard them both and can comment.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 11:32:31 pm »

Keep in mind..rock cover band.
I have some NXL24s today and over srx728s, the have more oomph than I'll ever need for my indoor gigs.

I'm looking for another set of tops for when I need 2 systems on one day. Debating one set of JTRs, but also maybe 2 sets and sell the NXL24s.
Based on timing, I may not be able to buy one pair of JTRs and compare.  I may need to sell te NXLs first.

Anyway, still hoping someone has heard them both and can comment.


A second set of nxl wouldnt be a bad move. It would give you two systems for smaller stuff and you could link two per side if you need the output. A plus for the nxl would be it being modular.

I understand where you are at though. You want best quality.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2018, 05:21:43 am »

A few of the members on this board have the db tech ig4t which is similar to the nxl24 and have given great reviews.

I've used the ig and they sound great if used with subs and have really good clarity.  From what I have heard, the nxl24 has a slight edge in sound but that is subjective.

Going off what Geert said, comparing the ig4t to something like a RCF tt2a (standard speaker design), there is a different feel.  The tt has a bigger overall sound and a good amount of punch more (it should for the price and design) and the ig has a softer sound but still goes loud with plenty of detail. Dare I say the Ig has more warmth but less depth and dimension? I have used them with rock bands and they sounded great (thanks Nate Zifra).

Doubled up, the ig or nxl24 would be a scary thing. Overall I prefer the tt but there are also some areas where I prefer the ig4t.  These columns sound very good.

If you are used to a standard speaker design, the columns do have a different feel.  I have not heard the JTR but I'd really like to.

I'm not sure what you've been using but the jtr or nxl24 would be big improvement over your standard k, kw, prx, srx, etc.

Sorry if my post goes off topic, I was just offering my experience with one of the type of speakers your are asking about.

 I had my IG4T's out for a 650 Cap. sit down show last weekend. No problem at all.  Rock cover's.  Sadly a high wind and rain storm took out the power several times and after 1/2 hour lengths with no power the crowd gave up.  Benefit show. All band members but 1 on in ears.  No guitar amps on stage just peddles from the guitars and even the bass guitar plugged directly into $20 Di boxes.  When the tops are on the subs I use the IG4T's internal crossover set to 110hz and the subs off an Aux set to 110hz as well . Seems solid and punchy to me and I love a 40lb box!   I agree also that 2 aside should really be great. I have a show in a few weeks that is small enough for just 1 sub and the 2 IG4T's to be stacked on top. I'll report back. 
  I'll post a very bad cell phone video.  I was stage right close to center in the back of the room.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pNslN6vhOk 

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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2018, 10:12:11 am »


A second set of nxl wouldnt be a bad move. It would give you two systems for smaller stuff and you could link two per side if you need the output. A plus for the nxl would be it being modular.

I understand where you are at though. You want best quality.

How well do the nxls array ?  Or the JTRs for that matter...
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2018, 11:01:03 am »

How well do the nxls array ?  Or the JTRs for that matter...

The JTRs can be ordered with either a 60x40 or 90x60 rotatable horn.
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2018, 03:38:22 pm »

Then NXL's are designed to array vertically.

They have 30v x 100h coverage that can easily be doubled to 60x100. The horns are canted down 25 inside the boxes, so you stack the second one upside down on top of the first box.


How well do the nxls array ?  Or the JTRs for that matter...
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2018, 03:57:06 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

Begin Peter's comments >>
So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T 76.3dB
Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2018, 04:21:57 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

Begin Peter's comments >>
So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T 76.3dB
Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris

""  -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M    ""  50 Meters is of course more than 150 feet.  I would think a box like a IG4T didn't have that kind of throw in mind nor is it in the price range of some of these boxes. A Single Vio 210 is around $4200 so 4 would be $16,800 ( Full Compass prices https://www.fullcompass.com/prod/543810-db-technologies-vio-l210-white-2-way-active-line-array-module-white?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuZywm5rD3gIV0wOGCh3vcwkcEAkYASABEgKo4vD_BwE )

Handy information none the less.

Douglas R. Allen
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2018, 05:36:38 pm »

Zero experience with the NXL-24, but I had the 3TX in both 60 and 90 degrees.
Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.
Plus, the bms 4593 in the 3TX undoubtedly outruns the CD in the rcf.

The NXL 100x30 pattern makes sense to me used singly, and we see happy campers that way.
But I can't see why I would want to array vertically for 100x60 except in pretty unusual situations.
That makes a seven foot tall stack, with maybe the need to tilt.......I don't get it.....just me I guess...

If i was going to array the 3TX, I'd probably tight pack the 60 degree (with maybe a little splay).
The cones would couple well, and you'd probably get about 100 to 110 degree coverage..
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2018, 06:37:56 pm »

Zero experience with the NXL-24, but I had the 3TX in both 60 and 90 degrees.
Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.
Plus, the bms 4593 in the 3TX undoubtedly outruns the CD in the rcf.

The NXL 100x30 pattern makes sense to me used singly, and we see happy campers that way.
But I can't see why I would want to array vertically for 100x60 except in pretty unusual situations.
That makes a seven foot tall stack, with maybe the need to tilt.......I don't get it.....just me I guess...

If i was going to array the 3TX, I'd probably tight pack the 60 degree (with maybe a little splay).
The cones would couple well, and you'd probably get about 100 to 110 degree coverage..

To me the IG3T is closer to the 3tx. (3 inch voice coil horn driver with 2 - 10 inch woofers ).   http://www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/ingenia/ingenia-ig3t/   I almost purchased them but liked the lighter IG4T box.  When coupled the IG line has digital steering in the vertical plane.  I thought the NXL line did as well but didn't research them.   Although I'm sure the NXL is a step up from the IG line on paper the IG4T has a larger horn driver and 1 DB more output. They should be close regardless.    Douglas R. Allen
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2018, 08:35:50 pm »

Just looking at the drivers in each, I have to believe the 3TX gets louder.
Four 6" in the rcf isn't a match for two 10" in the 3TX, unless the rcf's have bigger x-max.  About 1.4x cone area for 3TX.


FWIW, JTR says that the Xmax on the 10" woofers in the 3TX is 8mm each way, so those would be some pretty impressive 6" drivers...
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2018, 10:58:49 pm »

Thanks for the replies.
No interest in the db tech, and no use case where I would array of these boxes.
For gigs that big, I rent sound as I need to focus on my performance.

So the insight I'm still hoping for is pair of rcf vs pair of jtr.
These are what I have available.

Thanks!
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2018, 10:44:38 am »

It's probably a wash on the SQ. If your subs are powered, grab the NXL, if you have to take an amp rack already, grab the JTR.



Thanks for the replies.
No interest in the db tech, and no use case where I would array of these boxes.
For gigs that big, I rent sound as I need to focus on my performance.

So the insight I'm still hoping for is pair of rcf vs pair of jtr.
These are what I have available.

Thanks!
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Re: RCF NXL24 vs. JTR Noesis 3TX
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2018, 06:58:14 pm »

I have not used any of the speakers mentioned in this thread.  With that being said, I thought I'd share this data from another thread which has some info on the loudness of the IGT4 relative to other RCF products.  If RCF has GLL files for the NXL24, you could compare it to the IGT4, but I don't think that JTR has the resources to make EASE files available for its products.

https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,169177.0/topicseen.html

Begin Peter's comments >>
So FWIW these are some results of EASE Focus 3 -  Boxes @ 4m height, SPL at 50M

I have used mostly RCF and dB Technologies boxes assuming they may use the same measurement methods as they are part of the same company ??

4 x DB Technologies VIO 210 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T12 FIR 97.6dB
4 x DB Technologies T8 FIR 93.7dB
2 x RCF TTL6 92.7dB
1 x TW Audio T24N 87dB
1 x RCF TTL6 86.3dB
1 x RCF TT25MK2 82.3
2 x DB Technologies IG4T 80.9dB
1 x DB Technologies IG4T 76.3dB
Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 09:02:37 am by Peter Morris

FWIW - I have T12's, T8's, TT25A MK2 & IG4T's in our inventrory and what you have estimated with ease Focus seems about right.

I also have a double 10" which is similar to the JTS - it uses a better quality BMS driver (4594HE) and unlike the JTR it uses a relatively low Xmax high efficiency 10". Its designed to be crossed at 110 - 120 Hz and used with a double 18".  In that configuration I would say it goes harder than the TT25A + Sub

All of the RCF & dB boxes you listed use FIR filters and sound great including the new RCF TT25a MK2.   I noticed a step up in clarity when RCF added the FIR phase to their boxes (we had the TT MK1's).  The NXL24 does not have this technology so I suspect it may not sound as good as some of the others, but I have not heard it.
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