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Peter Morris

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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #120 on: August 23, 2019, 08:41:44 pm »

MIDAS Heritage-D official launch next week.

At least 144 inputs / 144 outputs / 96 aux / 24 matrix / 24 FX slots (upto 96)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MidasHeritageD/

It will be interesting to see how that pans out in a practical user configuration.  For example our dLive has 128 inputs (+ EFX returns = 160 processing channels), but its network will support more than 800 inputs, but only 160 of them can be processed at any given time. 

Given the Heritage D only has 4 x AES50 if I was using standard DL251ís  that would mean 96 in at the rack plus whatís on the desk  Ö anyway I will find out on Tuesday :-)

Pricing ... I'm expecting dLive territory and perhaps slight more power for your $.  What will be nice is the new TC effects, many of the old Pro series effects were not very good at all.


edit - correct processing channel count
« Last Edit: August 26, 2019, 09:09:33 am by Peter Morris »
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #121 on: August 24, 2019, 07:51:44 am »

No more guesswork needed:

600 connected channels I/O
144 Flex Inputs
120 Flex Outputs
24-96 FX Slots
24 Pop Groups/Layers
24 VCA

https://youtu.be/yLcIKUB08bA
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Roland Clarke

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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #122 on: August 25, 2019, 03:55:11 am »

It will be interesting to see how that pans out in a practical user configuration.  For example our dLive has 128 inputs (+ EFX returns), but its network will support more than 800 inputs, but only 128 of them can be processed at any given time. 

Given the Heritage D only has 4 x AES50 if I was using standard DL251ís  that would mean 96 in at the rack plus whatís on the desk  Ö anyway I will find out on Tuesday :-)

Pricing ... I'm expecting dLive territory and perhaps slight more power for your $.  What will be nice is the new TC effects, many of the old Pro series effects were not very good at all.

I think you are bang on Peter.  They will certainly have the D-live in their sights and to beat it will have to be slightly sexier and around that or possibly slightly lower in coast.

Yamaha will be different as they are more expensive and have a reputation for lasting 15 years.  I think pricing will be aimed to do to the QL and CL what the X32 did to the LS9 market.  Money no object market will still buy Avid, Digico, PM10 and the Midas consoles never really cracked that market, proven by the number under £8,000 floating around on the secondhand market.
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #123 on: August 25, 2019, 05:01:16 am »

As for the Behringer end of things there was an interesting bit in a quote by Uli on FB vis-ŗ-vis their synths.

Quote from: Uli Behringer
As you can tell we love building synths and other great products for you. And no, we havenít forgotten our pro audio customers - in fact we'll have something pretty revolutionary quite soon.
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #124 on: August 25, 2019, 06:02:15 am »

If any UK/EU based folk are going to PLASA London (15th - 17th September) SFL Group will have an HD96 on their stand for people to get hands on with....
SFL's Mark Payne has been an integral part of the beta testing of the desk.
I believe that trade show tickets are free up to the end of August.
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #125 on: August 25, 2019, 09:32:30 am »

Hi Simon, if I get a chance I have a ticket so might go.  Naturally Iíll take a look if it isnít crowded out too much.
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #126 on: August 26, 2019, 11:04:24 am »

Overview   -> https://youtu.be/yLcIKUB08bA
Processing -> https://youtu.be/F-o_mGq9t5g
Effects       -> https://youtu.be/aJf_TOpnnUQ
Interface    -> https://youtu.be/QuMEKr_Ajpg
Pricing       -> https://youtu.be/8mf2mra9WxQ
AI             -> https://youtu.be/-bNO2eEUxpM

Ripping it now, gimme a minute.
Here ya go, enjoy: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16GTrfjiSJSpLCc9mMm9PxlDPAZ2ChNuC

Overview
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-Dreamflow UI
- 144 flexible inputs
- 120 flexible outputs
- HD multitouch screen
- 24 DCA/VCA
- Channel AI??
- 600 inputs & outputs
- 96 effects slots
- 128 dynamic effects pool
- 24 popo groups/layers
- console connected (layer 3) online/offline (cloud) editor?
- complete channel layout flexibility

Processing
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-96kHz-24bits
-144 fully processed input channels, can be delay compensated as aux returns
-120 flexible outputs
-aux to aux plus aux to matrix routing all delay compensated
-true 64 bit FPGA processing with GPU coprocessing
-variable phase per input channel
-5 tap off points per channel, per send - all delay compensated with true metering
-DSP/delay compensation configuration (FOH, Monitor, etc)
-Fully flexible processing order, including post fader insert
-dedicated 16 into 12 shout mixer with instant configuration recall
-dual config solo busses with duckers and limiters
-AFL selectable for inputs and outputs independently
-FX Pool of 128 freely assignable dynamics processors
-True audition
-True preview
-libraries

Effects
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-96 effects (comp, DynEQ, limiter, eq, verb, delay, etc)
-TC 2290
-TC VSS3
-TC VSS4
-Sub Monster
-KT Graphic EQ
-Chamber Verb
-KT Tape Saturation
-KT Bus compressor
-KT HD 670 Compressor
-Pitch shifter
-Vintage pitch shifter
-KT 1176 limiting amplifier
-KT channel limiter
-XL4 EQ
-Ocean EQ
-Stressor
-Rack Amp
-Ultra-dualistic voice doubler
-128 dynamic processors (DynEQ, multiband compressor)
-Ultra dynamic equalizer
-Ultra MBC
-Effects can be assigned to "one shot pots"

Interface
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-Full HD multitouch screen - daylight coated
-DreamFlow UI, two handed operation
-Customizable screen 'grab and drag'
-40x 18bit color 240x240 channel LCDs
-Fully configurability (anything anywhere)
-Surface layout presets
-Custom toolbar on-top for easy access to menu features
-8 + 28 assignable rotaries
-Hi-res RTA
-Manchino workflow (do same action to many)
-28 motorized faders
-Two hypermacs configurable for dual redundant or independent operation
-Dante, MADI, USB interfaces (CM1)
-Two CM1 slots
-Graviton Audio Engine in surface


Pricing
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-$35k tour pack (case and console)
-$33k install
-Uses current DL boxes - DL251 etc.


Artificial Intelligence
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- Spectrum Analyser
- AI Channel Naming and Profiling
- AI Assisted EQ and Dynamics
- mCloud Connected with Built In WiFi
- Password Protected User Profiles
- Cloud Showfile Sync to Console
- AI Delay Compensation
- Clipped Channel Pop Group
- Show Config via Excel Import
- Works with Existing IO (DL151, DL231, DL251, etc.)
- Dual Redundant Power Supplies
- Dual HDMI Out
- 4 Fader Bank Ports



Quoted from Facebook MIDAS Heritage-D User Group:
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We have no personal inside information. This is all from public post from around the web from people who seem to have the latest info....

- Approx. $25,000 USD for the console - TARIFFS MAY EFFECT USA PRICING (Behringer/Midas may have upcoming price increases)
- AT LEAST 144 INPUTS / 120 OUTPUTS
- 96 AUXES (mono or stereo?)
- 24 MATRICES
- 24 VCA
- UPTO 96 FX SLOTS
- Very advanced OS and DREAMFLOW GUI
- 40 18 Bit Color 240x240 Channel LCD’s
- OFFICIAL LAUNCH in Australia on AUG 27th

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- Will use current 96k DL boxes - DL251 etc.
- Will probably only run at 96k
- NEW SERIES of consoles and will eventually have more than 1 frame size
- Will eventually have new IO boxes
- Will eventually replace the entire Pro Series line up
- Will be as powerful as ProX in many/most ways
- Will have BATS technology*
- FPGA DSP (Neutron?)
- Advanced TC FX
- At least 2, maybe 4 card slots for expansion (Waves, Dante, etc.)
- Massive amounts of development and research to include lots of user input and the "best of" other consoles
- Revolutionary designed software/firmware/hardware architecture
- It is NOT a replacement for M32/X32 - although many would assume the new R&D might trickle down
- It will do to the high-end console market what X32 did for the low-end market. It is expected to outperform any console under $80,000, maybe even some $100k consoles
- And most importantly - "Open architecture allows for future 192 kHz operation" : ) joking
*Big Ass Touch Screen
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #127 on: August 26, 2019, 11:09:03 am »

The way I see it is it and A&H dLive are in the exact same market. But they have different strengths and weaknesses.

Heritage-D HD96-24 is geared towards live sound mixing (touring and installs) and is a fixed architecture type system (DSP is in the console, not the mix rack). It is designed to be the ultimate touring console and not much else.

dLive is geared towards live mixing but also installs/corporate and being fully modular. You can have a many (understatement) different mix rack & associated IO configurations and design a system that meets the needs of a venue/client/tour.

At this point, I'd love to mix on either :)
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #128 on: August 26, 2019, 11:12:16 am »

Wow, pour one out for the Pro 1/2 with that pricing, they're toast. Though they were long in the tooth already, they came out in what, 2010?

The only thing the Pro 3/6/9/X has going for them is the larger form factor, but if the post is to be believed they have other sizes planned as well so who knows.
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Re: New Midas console?
« Reply #129 on: August 26, 2019, 12:52:43 pm »

Wow, pour one out for the Pro 1/2 with that pricing, they're toast. Though they were long in the tooth already, they came out in what, 2010?

The only thing the Pro 3/6/9/X has going for them is the larger form factor, but if the post is to be believed they have other sizes planned as well so who knows.

Often a high-end-of-range console is released, then once some R&D is recouped - then the technology trickles down to smaller, lower cost products. 

If this is the ProX replacement, then Pro2 and similar replacements are coming.   Similar to DLive S then DLive C, all the Yamaha consoles in pairs over the years, D-Show to Profile to SC48, SD8 to SD9, etc.

They are keeping the distinction between Pro/Heritage and MI (X32/M32) which is good.
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