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Author Topic: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB  (Read 9616 times)

Jay Marr

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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2018, 11:16:45 am »

I am tossed between the simplicity of the IOS x32 interface and the customized layers of the IOS app for x/m32.  I have seen almost all the apps and to me it is well known and very stable.

This caught my eye.  Are there customizable layers in the IOS app for X32?  (hoping that is the case and I have just never recognized that feature)
Or did you mean the Android app?
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2018, 11:27:26 am »

My point is to the manufacturer, not the end user.  For the manf, it is more expensive to maintain separate source code trees ( required when supporting multiple OSís) than a single.  That necessarily spreads your development resources out.  Some development is focused on new features but some is focused simply on changes in the OS so your device isnít stranded in one release of the OS or another...  so the app approach comes along with non-feature related development that has to be done- which adds no real value to the end user, other than device compatibility.

The beauty of Soundcraftís approach is a single source code base is supporting many multiple devices and OSís.  All you need is html 5 browser support...   That letís SC be more responsive to the end users feature requests - which on the UI 24 they have been to date... from a software development and Product Management point of view itís brilliant

I also hoped that Danny Olesh and his development team would be able to work on the ViSI app and whip into shape.  For the most part all we use it for is ringing out monitors and roughing in monitor mixes. I personally would take the SI boards out more often if that app was better as I like mixing on glass and wandering... doubtful that Samsung/Harmon will allow that to happen.  Also doubtful that the shortcomings of the UI 12 and 16 boards will be addressed.  Those were purchased by SC and while the 24 has some physical similarities, under the hood itís a completely new box from my understanding.  Hard to see and ROI for them there.  They bought the concept and ran with it...

Behringer does not maintain the source code for Mixing Station, it's the property of David G.  They have licensed some code from him for us in their own apps, IIRC, but they neither own nor maintain it.

What's up with the push back, Mal?  I agree that manufacturers have the best opportunity to write apps to control their products but we can see that for whatever reasons, almost EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER does a pretty lousy job of it.

I'm happy David G wrote mixing station and continues to improve it.  The twits at Soundcraft, Avid and other big-gun manufacturers are inexplicable in their failure to write effective control apps or, in the case of Avid, write them at all.
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2018, 11:51:24 am »

This caught my eye.  Are there customizable layers in the IOS app for X32?  (hoping that is the case and I have just never recognized that feature)
Or did you mean the Android app?

Yes, late night typo fixed.


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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2018, 03:23:47 pm »

Those were purchased by SC and while the 24 has some physical similarities, under the hood itís a completely new box from my understanding. 

Can you elaborate on that for me? I recall reading something about this a year ago on these forums, but I couldn't find it in a search.
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2018, 08:27:49 am »

You can't access the FX controls or even a tap tempo button. When I have to use an Si desk, I usually stay at the desk after walking the room with the app to tweak.

Damn, they haven't improved that?  That is one of the main reasons I still use my Presonus RM16 more than my Impact.  I was hoping the UI 24 might be a good choice for more channels than the Presonus, but I don't know.....
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2018, 11:56:33 am »

Can you elaborate on that for me? I recall reading something about this a year ago on these forums, but I couldn't find it in a search.
Harman purchased the Ui series / concept from an Aussie company called SM Pro Audio.

http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php/en/

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1062989-REG/sm_pro_audio_umix_16_digital_mixer.html

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My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2018, 06:04:32 pm »

I have been playing with the UIR24 interface for over an hour. I like it but is there no way to delay the L/R outputs?  I see how to delay the aux outputs but if there's no way to delay the mains back to the back line I don't want it.

EDIT- Nevermind a little RTFM solved it.

Seriously considering replacing my 5 year old dl1608 now.
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2018, 12:01:35 am »


On a slight tangent, what has been the group's experience with ordering "open box", "customer returned" or "reconditioned" products from PSSL? 
6 months ago I ordered a refurb Mackie DC16 Control Surface (Axis) from PSSL, and it has worked out really well for me.  The Dante connection has saved me more than once this summer in congested areas where the Wi-Fi was almost unusable.

For those of you who have used both the Soundcraft and Master Fader on a DL32R, how does the Soundcraft app compare?  I'm quite happy with Master Fader, but for comparison, have only used the XR-18 app, which I feel is less mature.
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2018, 12:39:23 am »

Behringer does not maintain the source code for Mixing Station, it's the property of David G.  They have licensed some code from him for us in their own apps, IIRC, but they neither own nor maintain it.

What's up with the push back, Mal?  I agree that manufacturers have the best opportunity to write apps to control their products but we can see that for whatever reasons, almost EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER does a pretty lousy job of it.

I'm happy David G wrote mixing station and continues to improve it.  The twits at Soundcraft, Avid and other big-gun manufacturers are inexplicable in their failure to write effective control apps or, in the case of Avid, write them at all.

Tim, the deal for me is that for the Ui-24,Soundcraft has basically hit it out of the park.  Ok, they bought the concept... but they leveraged the great software concept with Scís undeniable sound quality in hardware.  Then they got out of the way and Ltd Danny Olesh and team execute.  And execute they have... Do I wish they could permute the ui software to my investment is SI... oh man...

(My SI 3 is on Reverb...)

So my day gig is software.  Has been since the early 80ís.  Iíve been the equity stake, product manager, project manager, Support Manager, implementation guy and at times coder...  Soundcraftís approach to this generation is truly next level design.  It was a smart buy...  not getting in the way of innovation ?  Even smarter...

If you want a look at what I do today. Hit YouTube and check out the Insitu ScanEagle...  I guarantee it will be entertaining...
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Re: My shootout: behringer XR18 vs soundcraft Ui24R vs Allen & Heath QU-SB
« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2018, 12:46:49 am »

6 months ago I ordered a refurb Mackie DC16 Control Surface (Axis) from PSSL, and it has worked out really well for me.  The Dante connection has saved me more than once this summer in congested areas where the Wi-Fi was almost unusable.

For those of you who have used both the Soundcraft and Master Fader on a DL32R, how does the Soundcraft app compare?  I'm quite happy with Master Fader, but for comparison, have only used the XR-18 app, which I feel is less mature.

Master Fader is my second favorite control app...  A browser connected to UI -24 is First...  a ton more power.  I sold my dL-1608 about a year ago so Iím out of touch...
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